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    05 May '18 07:43
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    All you care about is ripping Christians apart like the lions in Nero's Coliseum...
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    06 May '18 01:19
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    The question is how deep does God's grace go?
    There is no question.

    Romans 5:20
    Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
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    06 May '18 11:01
    Originally posted by @secondson
    There is no question.

    Romans 5:20
    Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
    And there is the licence to sin doctrine
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    06 May '18 13:00
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    And there is the licence to sin doctrine
    A modern day selling of indulgences
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    06 May '18 13:10
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    A modern day selling of indulgences
    Correct
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    06 May '18 13:172 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    And there is the licence to sin doctrine
    Just because the 'carnal being' would use it as a license to sin doesn't mean that the 'spiritual being' would too.

    Romans 3:30-31

    Since there is One God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law.
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    06 May '18 13:36
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Just because the 'carnal being' would use it as a license to sin doesn't mean that the 'spiritual being' would too.

    Romans 3:30-31

    Since there is One God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law.
    Therefore if a Christian accepts the grace of God (ie God's free gift of righteousness) and then continues to sin, he is a carnal being.
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    06 May '18 13:391 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Therefore if a Christian accepts the grace of God (ie God's free gift of righteousness) and then continues to sin, he is a carnal being.
    I agree, if there is no change at all. Sanctification is a gradual process. Do you believe that a Christian that accepts the grace of God (and will enter the kingdom of Heaven) will never sin again? Yes or No? Do you believe the moment they sin again they are damned even if they feel remorse and strive to change?
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    06 May '18 14:041 edit
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    I agree, if there is no change at all. Sanctification is a gradual process. Do you believe that a Christian that accepts the grace of God (and will enter the kingdom of Heaven) will never sin again? Yes or No? Do you believe the moment they sin again they are damned even if they feel remorse and strive to change?
    You people like to ask questions that only Jesus can answer.

    My position is in line with what the bible says.... that professed Christians come in all shapes and sizes.. some to eternal life and some to damnation.

    Christ will judge
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    06 May '18 14:11
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    You people like to ask questions that only Jesus can answer.

    My position is in line with what the bible says.... that professed Christians come in all shapes and sizes.. some to eternal life and some to damnation.

    Christ will judge
    Matthew 7:15 as evidenced by those whom have completely ignored Exodus 20:13 and rather promoted Exodus 22:18.
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    06 May '18 17:13
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    I agree, if there is no change at all. Sanctification is a gradual process. Do you believe that a Christian that accepts the grace of God (and will enter the kingdom of Heaven) will never sin again? Yes or No? Do you believe the moment they sin again they are damned even if they feel remorse and strive to change?
    I’ll answer your questions.

    The person who accepts Christ will sin again. Peter, an Apostle of Jesus Christ, confessed Him as God and then sinned three times by claiming he didn’t know Him.

    Paul accepted Jesus Christ and openly admitted he continued to sin in Romans 7.

    Were an Apostle of Jesus Christ’s and the author of a majority of the New Testament denied heaven because they sinned after accepting Christ?
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    06 May '18 22:45
    Originally posted by @secondson
    There is no question. [of how deep God's grace goes]

    Romans 5:20
    Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
    I don't think that answered the question. I provided context after it. I guess I'll rephrase it.

    Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him."

    Is grace a simple offering or is it compelling?
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    06 May '18 22:46
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    I don't think that answered the question. I provided context after it. I guess I'll rephrase it.

    Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him."

    Is grace a simple offering or is it compelling?
    Welcome back.
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    07 May '18 03:44
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    You people like to ask questions that only Jesus can answer.

    My position is in line with what the bible says.... that professed Christians come in all shapes and sizes.. some to eternal life and some to damnation.

    Christ will judge
    So you're saying you don't know whether or not Christians who sin after accepting the grace of God will enter the Kingdom of God, is that correct?
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    08 May '18 11:01
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    Matthew 7:15 as evidenced by those whom have completely ignored Exodus 20:13 and rather promoted Exodus 22:18.
    'Thou shall not murder' is the moral heart of most religions and non-religions. Without it we are doomed as a species.
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