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Originally posted by utherpendragonWhat else would you call the movement from low entropy to high entropy?
There is no time. Time is a man made concept. There is no tomorrow or yesterday. Everything is now.
Think of a panarama.
Originally posted by epiphinehasWikipedia says:
What else would you call the movement from low entropy to high entropy?
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, not always. I usually use my computers clock or my watch, or the clock on the wall, or even my cell phone. Each has its own way of keeping time.
Don't we tell time by the rotation of the earth, the position of the sun and
moon and stars?
Originally posted by twhiteheadThink of it more as 'eternity past,' just as what is on its way (following the history of man) is 'eternity future.' Both bookends are--- for lack of a better way of describing it here--- un-timed events.
But 'create' is a term that is wholly dependant on the concept of time. If time is not passing, creation cannot happen. One cannot create time. It is meaningless to say the creator created a universe in which there is time, but that 'before' he 'created' it there was no time.
If time is a dimension of the universe and only of the universe, then it is meaningless to speak of a creator.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou are just being silly now. You know what I mean. We did not always
No, not always. I usually use my computers clock or my watch, or the clock on the wall, or even my cell phone. Each has its own way of keeping time.
So are you going to explain what your point was, or are you going to continue being vague, then getting shocked when nobody understands what you are saying?
Originally posted by Zahlanzithe first law of fight club universe is that we don't talk about fight club universe...
he could be outside "our" time. but still be bound to his time. think of you and a copy of fight club on dvd. the fight club universe has not started. it may never start. as such, it's time is set at 0. then comes the "big inserting the dvd in the dvd player and hitting play".
the fight club universe has started.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo the question that comes to mind here, do you think your god has no entropy?
Wikipedia says:
Entropy is the only quantity in the physical sciences (apart from certain rare interactions in particle physics; see below) that requires a particular direction for time, sometimes called an arrow of time. As one goes "forward" in time, the second law of thermodynamics says, the entropy of an isolated system will increase. Hence, from one ...[text shortened]... he formation of certain crystals, the workings of a refrigerator and living organisms.
ETC.
Originally posted by sonhouseI have no interest in wether God has enthropy or not. You might
So the question that comes to mind here, do you think your god has no entropy?
Wouldn't it follow that if god has no entropy, it also has no time?
No entropy in our sense could mean a time dimension at 'right angles' to our time dimension which would mean such a being would have a time dimension of its own but still able to interact with our universe in some way.
I don't know if that idea has been delved into by cosmologists or not.
Originally posted by RJHindsMaybe you have no interest in that idea because thinking about it would bring about doubts about this god of yours.
I have no interest in wether God has enthropy or not. You might
address your question to epiphinehas, since he brought up the
subject. Maybe he will be willing to discuss it with you.
Originally posted by RJHindsNot at all. You expect everyone to be a mind reader and know what you mean when you don't actually say what you mean.
You are just being silly now. You know what I mean.
Originally posted by twhiteheadNo I don't expect someone to be a mind reader, but the meaning of
Not at all. You expect everyone to be a mind reader and know what you mean when you don't actually say what you mean.
[b]So when God created the heavens and the earth, He created
the clock to tell time and in effect created time.
So how can you (or God) know whether or not he existed before the heavens and the earth if there was no clock to tell ...[text shortened]... st you say there was no time before the creation, now you say there was time. Which is it?[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsWell you have one thing totally wrong: Space is not just emptiness. Space is more like a real substance, pliable and compressible, stretchable like taffy, it even makes waves. You need to really update your knowledge of space.
No I don't expect someone to be a mind reader, but the meaning of
what I said seemed obvious to me. God is the beginning and the end,
the first and the last. We know God had to exist before time could be
measured because He created the clock to measure it. We say God
existed in eternity past. It is an infinite past as far as we know. You
might like ...[text shortened]... e that became available with the creation of the
universe to occupy the emptiness of space.
Originally posted by RJHindsWell it wasn't obvious to me, and my lack of insight into your way of thinking does not make me 'silly'.
No I don't expect someone to be a mind reader, but the meaning of
what I said seemed obvious to me.
Originally posted by sonhouseHave you ever seen anyone stretch space? The Holy Bible says God
Well you have one thing totally wrong: Space is not just emptiness. Space is more like a real substance, pliable and compressible, stretchable like taffy, it even makes waves. You need to really update your knowledge of space.