Originally posted by pete3246
A couple problems I have with the story of Jesus.
First is the dieing on the cross....whats so great about that?... he suffered 3 days and died. I had an aunt who suffered for 40 years with MS. Never lost her faith ...went to church and trust me it was as much physical and mental suffering as a man would go through being nailed to a cross...especially ...[text shortened]... ouldn't he just slam his hand in a door or something and say that clears up every thing?...
First is the dieing on the cross....whats so great about that?
Nothing. Plenty of physical pain, no doubt, but other than that, not much to brag on.
That being said, what makes His death on the cross significant is the prophetic tie, in addition to the correlation of the various trees: the Garden's original Tree of Life, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the Cross and then the final Tree of Life which will be a source of healing for the nations and of wisdom for those whose names are found in the Lamb's Book of Life.
he suffered 3 days and died.
His physical suffering was immense (no doubt, as evidenced by the agonized cries of those who were suffering a similar punishment), but decidedly bearable as evidenced by the absence of His crying out. The only time He allowed Himself the expression of grief and pain was when the sins of the world were placed upon Him... although even this did not claim His life. Following the payment by Him for the sins of the world, He did not die: instead, He relinquished His life for His mission was complete.
The point of His sacrifice was not the physical suffering (although the crucifixion certainly allowed for a longer view of the spectacle), but the mental and spiritual torment of being abandoned by God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. That is a suffering that, for us, is incomprehensible.
I had an aunt who suffered for 40 years with MS.
Sorry to hear of your aunt's pain. However, your aunt's suffering is a result of being a member of a fallen race where we consider our plights in degrees; certainly she did not choose to be saddled with MS. Nor was her suffering effective in removing either the pain or the penalty of any one else on the planet. As great a woman as she may have been, she simply wasn't qualified to be an efficacious substitute for any one else.
The Lord Jesus Christ, as a result of His origin and subsequent proof of pedigree, was imminently qualified to be the substitute for us in our excluded state.
in my opinion my aunt went thru way....WAY more than jesus,
Your ignorance can be forgiven on the basis of not comprehending the nature of who and what the Lord Jesus Christ is. What He endured on the cross, as stated, wasn't much in the way of challenge for Him, given His physical stamina. Being cut off from the other members of the Godhead, however, is a completely different situation. That type of self-divorce is beyond human endurance, is hell.
couldn't he just slam his hand in a door or something and say that clears up every thing?...
In visiting another country, it's always a good idea to have a working understanding of the local currency. No sense giving a cab driver the equivalent of a year's salary if you can avoid it, right?
what was so great about Jesus?
01 Oct '11 02:07
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