08 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidI've already taken the blasphemy challenge (albeit my denial of the holy spirit was in text as opposed to video format) 😏
The Holy Spirit must be something really important, since blaspheming it is the one and only sin that will not be forgiven, so said the Lord.
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by sumydidSee if this helps and make sure and look up the attached scriptures. 🙂
The Holy Spirit must be something really important, since blaspheming it is the one and only sin that will not be forgiven, so said the Lord.
The holy spirit is God’s “free gift,” which he gladly grants to those who sincerely seek and request it. (Ac 2:38; Lu 11:9-13) A right heart is the key factor (Ac 15:8), but knowledge and conformity to God’s requirements are also essential factors. (Compare Ac 5:32; 19:2-6.) Once received, the Christian should not ‘grieve’ God’s spirit by disregarding it (Eph 4:30; compare Isa 63:10), taking a course contrary to its leading, fixing the heart on goals other than that to which it points and impels, rejecting the inspired Word of God and its counsel and application to oneself. (Ac 7:51-53; 1Th 4:8; compare Isa 30:1, 2.) By hypocrisy one can “play false” to that holy spirit by which Christ directs the congregation, and those who “make a test” of its power in this way follow a disastrous course. (Ac 5:1-11; contrast Ro 9:1.) Deliberate opposition to and rebellion against the evident manifestation of God’s spirit can mean blasphemy against that spirit, a sin that is unforgivable.—Mt 12:31, 32; Mr 3:29, 30; compare Heb 10:26-31.
As was explained in a few other post, the Holy Spirit is not a live spirit being such as God and Jesus and the angels are. It is not a seperate spiritual being. It is simply God's force or will or power that he uses to accomplish what ever his will is. God is not physical as we are so he does not use as an example hands that we have to move an object. But he uses his spiritual power to accomplish his will on humans, material objects, to direct, teach, etc.
The Bible does speak of it having a personality but that is simply describing God's personality that is being displayed when he is using his own spiritual force in any given situation.
So again if one directly goes against God's will or his holy spirit... like going against some direction or order to do something he wills for us, this disobiediance is going directly against God's himself and for that there is no forgiveness.
A serious and deadly mistake.
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75So you believe the Holy Spirit is not the third person in the Godhead, but
See if this helps and make sure and look up the attached scriptures. 🙂
The holy spirit is God’s “free gift,” which he gladly grants to those who sincerely seek and request it. (Ac 2:38; Lu 11:9-13) A right heart is the key factor (Ac 15:8), but knowledge and conformity to God’s requirements are also essential factors. (Compare Ac 5:32; 19:2-6.) Once ...[text shortened]... against God's himself and for that there is no forgiveness.
A serious and deadly mistake.
merely like the "hands" of God that He uses to accomplish His work.
Apparently God's "hands" can be lied to and blasphemed against.
What then is the Son of God if not the second person in the Godhead?
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsExactly. No scriptures say the Holy Spirit is either a seperate spirit being or part of some godhead. And it's never given a name. The term Helper is not a name but a description of what the purpose of the HS is used for.
So you believe the Holy Spirit is not the third person in the Godhead, but
merely like the "hands" of God that He uses to accomplish His work.
Apparently God's "hands" can be lied to and blasphemed against.
What then is the Son of God if not the second person in the Godhead?
And yes God's hands, feet or whatever body part you want to say can be lied to is still lying to God. If I lied to your hands or the work they do, am I not lying to you?
And maybe Jesus is just simply what the Bible callls him the "Son of God." Is that so unbelieveable to conceive?
Why is the HS not ever called the Son of God?
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75The Holy Spirit is not called the Son of God because the "Word" is
Exactly. No scriptures say the Holy Spirit is either a seperate spirit being or part of some godhead. And it's never given a name. The term Helper is not a name but a description of what the purpose of the HS is used for.
And yes God's hands, feet or whatever body part you want to say can be lied to is still lying to God. If I lied to your hands or t ...[text shortened]... God." Is that so unbelieveable to conceive?
Why is the HS not ever called the Son of God?
the Son of God, who became flesh and who is named Yahshua (Jesus).
So what part of God's body do you think the Son of God would be?
Could it be "the mouth" since John calls Him "the Word"?
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsGeeezzz. Jesus is not part of anyones body. He is a seperate and free willed spirit being just as all the angels are.
The Holy Spirit is not called the Son of God because the "Word" is
the Son of God, who became flesh and who is named Yahshua (Jesus).
So what part of God's body do you think the Son of God would be?
Could it be "the mouth" since John calls Him "the Word"?
If Jesus were God when on earth as a man and he completed all he was SENT here to accomplish by his FATHER, was his time here not described at times in the Bible as being tested? After he did prove faithful and was resurrected to heaven, wasn't he GRANTED a special seat BESIDE his father and given much more honor and power as a reward?
So think on this word "Tested" term for a while and get the real meaning of what this is saying.
It emplies that Jesus could have failed this test while he was on earth. He had many test presented to him that he could have failed.
Satan sure tried and the reason he did this is it could possibly happen. If Satan had thought this Jesus was God himself but in human form do you think this would have happened? Absolutely not as even Satan knows that God cannot sin ever.
But thankfully for us all Jesus accomplished all that his Father hoped he would.
And again Jesus is called the Word because he is our mediator or spokesman between us and his Father Jehovah just as an ambassador is a mediator between countries.. Not a complicated thing to understand
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75Jesus is like the angels, but not like God then? Where do men fit
Geeezzz. Jesus is not part of anyones body. He is a seperate and free willed spirit being just as all the angels are.
If Jesus were God when on earth as a man and he completed all he was SENT here to accomplish by his FATHER, was his time here not described at times in the Bible as being tested? After he did prove faithful and was resurrected to heaven ...[text shortened]... just as an ambassador is a mediator between countries.. Not a complicated thing to understand
in with this theology? Is man also a free willed spirit being like
the angels or is their some difference? If so what is the it?
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYes man is free willed but it's not always a good thing. Adam proved that for us. But God did not create us to be robots and that is a wondeful thing to say the least. But that still does not give us the free reigns to do anything that we please. God created us and as a result has the right to have rules for us to follow. If not he has the right to punish if we persits in a wrong course of conduct.
Jesus is like the angels, but not like God then? Where do men fit
in with this theology? Is man also a free willed spirit being like
the angels or is their some difference? If so what is the it?
Jesus was created by God just as the angels were. Jesus was the first just as the Bible describes.
But because of what Jesus has accomplished for us and for staying true to his Father he has been rewarded to a position above all others, the angels, and not only has the seat at the right hand of his Father but has been given the Keys or authority over a Kingdom. And also as a result, Jesus now has been given immortal life, something he did not have up to the time he was resurrected back to heaven. The angels do not have this which is a good thing. Other wise Satan would be living forever.
08 Oct 11
It says in "The Bible" "And God said, Let us make man in our image, like us: and let him have rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every living thing which goes flat on the earth."
1. Did God, when he alledgedly said this, not know that the earth was a sphere, in his infinite knowledge?? I mean, for Christ's sake, we know the scripture writers had no idea the earth was a ball in those days!!
2. Does that mean that God is Hindu, Muslim, Islamic, Buddhist and you name it???
Cos if 'all' men are created in that image, he must have various views of who he is/was; and to add to that, why would God as an entity say 'let "us" make man in ""our"" image??? Was he talking to his alter ego, or was he schizophrenic???
What a load of old tosh the Bile is... 😛
-m.
08 Oct 11
Originally posted by mikelomI think you may have a bad translation for none of the translation I
It says in "The Bible" "And God said, Let us make man in our image, like us: and let him have rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every living thing which goes flat on the earth."
1. Did God, when he alledgedly said this, not know that the earth was a sphere, in his infinite knowl ...[text shortened]... o, or was he schizophrenic???
What a load of old tosh the Bile is... 😛
-m.
have looked at have the word flat in them. See other versions at
biblegateway.com and http://bible.cc/genesis/1-26.htm
and the original Hebrew http://biblos.com/genesis/1-26.htm
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the
air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping
thing that creeps on the earth.”
(Genesis 1:26 New King's James Version)
And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness,
and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens,
and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing
that is creeping on the earth.'
(Genesis 1:26 Young's Literal Translation)
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky
and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing
that creeps on the earth.”
(Genesis 1:26 New American Standard Bible)
The Holy Bible says God is invisible so the image can not be physical
because God has no physical image.
From Dictionary.com
im·age (noun)
1.
a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing,
photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.
2.
an optical counterpart or appearance of an object, as is produced by
reflection from a mirror, refraction by a lens, or the passage of
luminous rays through a small aperture and their reception on a surface.
3.
a mental representation; idea; conception.
4.
Psychology . a mental representation of something previously perceived,
in the absence of the original stimulus.
5.
form; appearance; semblance: We are all created in God's image.
The meaning in the Holy Bible can not be number 1.