14 Oct 11
Originally posted by galveston75Hmfff! could be worse. I think there is a lot of internal change happening now. The outer effects of the inner change may take time
Just wanting peoples thoughts on that. The world is doing so bad right now and the Bible promisses that someday it will be brought back to that condition...
14 Oct 11
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Originally posted by galveston75I believe(whether or not any theist wants to listen) that the "fruit" of the Tree of Knowledge alludes to language which is further alluded to in the story of the Tower of Babel.
Any thoughts on what the world would be like now if Adam & Eve would not have sinned?
In the bible God doesn't want Adam and Eve to also eat of the tree of life or else they will be like him. In the bible God makes the multitudes speak many different languages so that they cannot make a tower to heaven.
Language is the fruit of knowledge. How else would one partake of knowledge fruit?
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by FMFObviously God didn't want them to bite off more than they could chew, and hence make the utter mess the world is in nowadays. 😀
What is it exactly you think they did when they "sinned"?
-m.
p.s. For man to have grown and spread from Adam and Eve, does that mean that their children, and thus being siblings, were incestuous?? 😕
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by tomtom232This is parodoxical, because the bible clearly states that God deliberately made man in his own image, i.e. like him.
In the bible God doesn't want Adam and Eve to also eat of the tree of life or else they will be like him.
What say ye to this paradox of your words, or the words of the same book of your belief??
-m.
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by mikelomThe Bible mentions people in other lands during the time of Adam and Eve so I don't think Adam and Eve were the only people God created if the events in the Bible are assumed to be facts.
Obviously God didn't want them to bite off more than they could chew, and hence make the utter mess the world is in nowadays. 😀
-m.
p.s. For man to have grown and spread from Adam and Eve, does that mean that their children, and thus being siblings, were incestuous?? 😕
14 Oct 11
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Originally posted by mikelom"Like" him as in having his understanding and thus his abilities.
This is parodoxical, because the bible clearly states that God deliberately made man in his own image, i.e. like him.
What say ye to this paradox of your words, or the words of the same book of your belief??
-m.
PS This is NOT the book of my beliefs.
Edit: I am also not clear what "in his image" should be taken to mean. If I take a picture of the forest the trees are "in the forest's image."
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by tomtom232So you agree that the bible simoultaneously maintains that God didn't want man to be like him, and that God wanted man to be like him?
"Like" him as in having his understanding and thus his abilities.
PS This is NOT the book of my beliefs.
Edit: I am also not clear what "in his image" should be taken to mean. If I take a picture of the forest the trees are "in the forest's image."
I'm rather confused, but then so does the bible appear to be. The authors didn't realise people would be clever enough 2,000 years later to tear it apart with rationale! 😀
-m.
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by tomtom232I've heard this, or versions of it, I resonate with it, but I'll be dammed if I can get many Jehovas Witnesses to agree with me along those lines at all!! 😉
I believe(whether or not any theist wants to listen) that the "fruit" of the Tree of Knowledge alludes to language which is further alluded to in the story of the Tower of Babel.
In the bible God doesn't want Adam and Eve to also eat of the tree of life or else they will be like him. In the bible God makes the multitudes speak many different languages s ...[text shortened]... heaven.
Language is the fruit of knowledge. How else would one partake of knowledge fruit?
14 Oct 11
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Originally posted by mikelomIt seems to be so if it is all part of God's arrangement.
So you agree that the bible simoultaneously maintains that God didn't want man to be like him, and that God wanted man to be like him?
I'm rather confused, but then so does the bible appear to be. The authors didn't realise people would be clever enough 2,000 years later to tear it apart with rationale! 😀
-m.
I was always confused by his omnipotence.
googlefudge points out the heavy rock paradox but I would like to point out that it would be impossible for an omnipotent being to "create" free will in a logical working world. For example, if he is omnipotent then he would know every single choice that every single person would make before he even created us... that sounds like destiny, not free will. Also, many theists claim that God has a wonderful plan for me but maintain that I have free will.
14 Oct 11
Originally posted by tomtom232Too too heavy for me...
It seems to be so if it is all part of God's arrangement.
I was always confused by his omnipotence.
googlefudge points out the heavy rock paradox but I would like to point out that it would be impossible for an omnipotent being to "create" free will in a logical working world. For example, if he is omnipotent then he would know every single choice ...[text shortened]... , many theists claim that God has a wonderful plan for me but maintain that I have free will.
I bow out graciously at this point. 🙂
-m.
Before we get into the God's plan for me rubbish, that is. 😉