"What would the world look like if all people..."

I think if we looked as wars around Europe in recent history, most of them involve either communism vs democracy, or Christianity vs Islam. What do you attribute the peace to in the more peaceful countries of Europe? Democracy? Nukes? The EU?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"What would the world look like if all people were atheists?"

"I am interested in how atheists would see the world if there was no mention of any God or gods? Would it be possible? Is it your opinion the world would be a better place? If so, in what way? What would you speak against then? Things are not always as they appear; it's a matter of ...[text shortened]... I am Lion, hear me ROAR! Meow." http://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9514[/b]

Sodom and G. Not much left.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
Sodom and G. Not much left.

You've obviously never been to Sweden.

Originally posted by twhitehead
You've obviously never been to Sweden.

not physically. If only you could see the world spiritually

Originally posted by Pudgenik
not physically. If only you could see the world spiritually

You've been to Sweden spiritually? Was it like Sodom and G.?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Lets try and come up with a way to estimate it. Suppose we count how many countries have had wars in the last 50 years and how many haven't we would know what the average 'war rate' was. Could we then conclude that any country bellow the average number of wars is doing something right that is preventing wars? Or are wars totally random and without cause or prevention?

No, I have a better idea. Why don't you just tell me how many wars YOU think Sweden has prevented?

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, I have a better idea. Why don't you just tell me how many wars YOU think Sweden has prevented?

I already posted:

I actually have no idea how many wars Sweden has prevented.

You are the one who claims to know something - even to the point of claiming that I 'live a pipe dream' for not knowing. Why are you suddenly so reluctant to share your views?
I have twice in this thread admitted being wrong: now its your turn. 🙂

Originally posted by twhitehead
You've been to Sweden spiritually? Was it like Sodom and G.?

No, but there is another type of darkness there. Similar to the darkness in New York city

Originally posted by Pudgenik
not physically. If only you could see the world spiritually

That kind of thinking (casting Sweden as a spiritual Sodom and G.) will certainly give the threat of religion a concrete form.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I already posted:

I actually have no idea how many wars Sweden has prevented.

You are the one who claims to know something - even to the point of claiming that I 'live a pipe dream' for not knowing. Why are you suddenly so reluctant to share your views?
I have twice in this thread admitted being wrong: now its your turn. 🙂

Except I'm not wrong. Societies that keep their 'enlightened governmental views' to themselves really aren't doing anyone else any favors. That pretty much makes them useless to everyone else on the globe except themselves.

You can't have a Utopia when the nation right next door is starving. Or polluting themselves into extinction. Or fighting wars that deplete the next generation of young men.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
No, but there is another type of darkness there. Similar to the darkness in New York city

You don't need to beat around the bush here. We're all adults, so just spit it out. I'll wait for you to actually say what I think you're implying before I write you off as another fundamentalist nutjob.

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It doesn't mean they've 'prevented' any wars either. Look at Switzerland. They've been neutral a long, long time, yet that sure as hell didn't stop either of two World Wars to rage on all around them.

Originally posted by Suzianne
[b]Except I'm not wrong. Societies that keep their 'enlightened governmental views' to themselves really aren't doing anyone else any favors. That pretty much makes them useless to everyone else on the globe except themselves./b]

But what you initially said was that they were useless. Only after being challenged have you added conditions including the qualification that you are talking about the rest of the world, and the unfounded claim that they are keeping it to themselves.

You can't have a Utopia when the nation right next door is starving. Or polluting themselves into extinction. Or fighting wars that deplete the next generation of young men.
Now you have changed your argument. You initially said a perfect society was 'pretty useless' (given those conditions), now you say it cannot exist. Make up your mind.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Except I'm not wrong.

Then answer my questions. And the post I was referring to when I said you should admit being wrong, was the one in which you claim to know that Sweden has prevented zero wars. Interesting how your defense is to address a completely different issue.