What would you accept as evidence of a creator?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Is there a reason you count what people present as evidence, worthless? Don't
you have to look at the total picture and see if there are points there? Worthless
suggests to me that you've not taken anything seriously. I cannot say that what
people present to me to show me the universe is billions of years old as worthless,
but I don't have to agree if I e with, but that does not mean that
any and all things they say are, well…worthless.
Kelly

Is there a reason you count what people present as evidence [for the existence of "G"od], worthless? Don't you have to look at the total picture and see if there are points there?...
The big picture is looking at this "evidence" and assessing its likelyhood of being valid by considering what we know about the world now, and acknowledging the tendency of humans to make things up or mis-represent what has actually occured at some point. The little picture is looking at this "evidence" and accepting it (as you did) with no pause for thought whatsoever.

Worthless suggests to me that you've not taken anything seriously. I cannot say that what people present to me to show me the universe is billions of years old as worthless, but I don't have to agree if I don't buy into why the claims are being made.
The argument that the Earth is billions of years old, and the manner in which they arrived at that figure, is far more sophisticated than "God made the earth 6000 years ago [by magic!]"

It seems too easy to dismiss all things being said because someone may say or agree with a point you totally don’t agree with, but that does not mean that any and all things they say are, well…worthless.
It is easy for me to dismiss the Qu-ran (it is probably just as easy for you too)
It is easy for me to dismiss the ramblings of our friend Dasa (it is probably just as easy for you too)
It is easy for me to dismiss the writings of scientology (it is probably just as easy for you)
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It is easy for me to dismiss the accounts of UFO abductees (it is probably just as easy for you)
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It is easy for me to dismiss the Bible, or hearsay regarding events supposed to have happened in the Bible (in this case it is not just as easy for you because of bias)

Originally posted by Penguin
Are you trying to tell us that because the battery is only used to start the car then it is not required at all?

Of course Christians don't bother with batteries, fuel, maintenance and all that unnecessary stuff, they trust God to magically keep their cars going.

You are priceless!

you can start your vehicle and disconnect the battery, it will still keep running, in fact,
its a valid test to prove that your alternator is in goods condition, a diesel vehicle works
on compression and the only necessity for a battery is to initially warm the piston
chamber and turn the engine. No we comply fully with the manufacturers maintenance
guidelines and yes we are priceless, precious in Gods eyes, thank you for
acknowledging the fact.

you may find this interesting, i do.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/diesel1.htm

Originally posted by Agerg
[b]Is there a reason you count what people present as evidence [for the existence of "G"od], worthless? Don't you have to look at the total picture and see if there are points there?...
The big picture is looking at this "evidence" and assessing its likelyhood of being valid by considering what we know about the world now, and acknowledging ...[text shortened]... happened in the Bible (in this case it is not just as easy for you because of bias)[/b]

You dismiss it. But how can you be sure it is worthless?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You dismiss it. But how can you be sure it is worthless?

Because stupid people find it convincing! Reveal Hidden Content


How does that grab ya? :]

Originally posted by Penguin
Are you trying to tell us that because the battery is only used to start the car then it is not required at all?

Of course Christians don't bother with batteries, fuel, maintenance and all that unnecessary stuff, they trust God to magically keep their cars going.

You are priceless!

i think my use of the "holy" bible to raise a battery in my car hit a nerve in poor old robbie. he's thinking less clearly than is usual and struck out with absurdities galore in his rant.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
i think my use of the "holy" bible to raise a battery in my car hit a nerve in poor old robbie. he's thinking less clearly than is usual and struck out with absurdities galore in his rant.

there were no absurdities, simply sound engineering of which you reprobates seem
ignorant. You can mock God all you like, but you'll be sowwy!

Originally posted by RJHinds
You dismiss it. But how can you be sure it is worthless?

He cannot because the wisdom of scripture has been hidden from the so called, 'wise
and intellectual ones', their self reliance and arrogance prevent them from seeing its
wisdom.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there were no absurdities, simply sound engineering of which you reprobates seem
ignorant. You can mock God all you like, but you'll be sowwy!

we'll have a couple of beers and laugh at your inanities.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
we'll have a couple of beers and laugh at your inanities.

How bout a Guinness-Killians God off? Lets see if we can get god drunk. Robbie, you get your god down here, we will see what it is made of.....

We can see who will be left still able to play a blues riff....

How well would your god play Layla?

Originally posted by sonhouse
How bout a Guinness-Killians God off? Lets see if we can get god drunk. Robbie, you get your god down here, we will see what it is made of.....

We can see who will be left still able to play a blues riff....

How well would your god play Layla?

i'm not sure if it's a good idea to get robbie's god drunk. you know how he gets when he's had too much to drink. next thing you know we'll have another flood on our hands, or new york will go off in a flaming fireball surrounded by salt-statues of people who looked.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
i'm not sure if it's a good idea to get robbie's god drunk. you know how he gets when he's had too much to drink. next thing you know we'll have another flood on our hands, or new york will go off in a flaming fireball surrounded by salt-statues of people who looked.

even the Christ was mocked by infidels, you reap what you sow, 4sure.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
even the Christ was mocked by infidels, you reap what you sow, 4sure.

Oh you flatter yourself. I do not think it is really Christ that was being mocked you know.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
an examination of the natural world reveals, incredible beauty, complexity, harmony,
order, intelligence, power, wisdom and love.

Now imagine you are on the surface of Venus. What would you think of the creator then?

One thousand degrees F, atmosphere mostly sulfuric acid and the pressure there 1500 PSI, 100 times that of Earth, no oxygen....

Originally posted by Agerg
[b]Is there a reason you count what people present as evidence [for the existence of "G"od], worthless? Don't you have to look at the total picture and see if there are points there?...
The big picture is looking at this "evidence" and assessing its likelyhood of being valid by considering what we know about the world now, and acknowledging ...[text shortened]... happened in the Bible (in this case it is not just as easy for you because of bias)[/b]

Worthless suggests to me that you've not taken anything seriously. I cannot say that what people present to me to show me the universe is billions of years old as worthless, but I don't have to agree if I don't buy into why the claims are being made.
The argument that the Earth is billions of years old, and the manner in which they arrived at that figure, is far more sophisticated than "God made the earth 6000 years ago [by magic!]"


Actually, it maybe much more sophisticated and still be wrong! The issue you
have and it is a very large one is the how and why is everything here? If you
don't know that you no real way of applying any system of measurement to
this place for age. It would just like looking at a candle and being able to tell
me how long the flame has been burning just by doing a measurement on
the amount of candle you think has been burned, and the rate of the current
burn. If you don't know when it was lit you cannot get that info just by looking.
You can GUESS that is possible, but you cannot know. So if God created
all things no distant or rate you apply is going to tell you how old this place
is. Since you don't know how or why all of this is here, that God created is still
a valid possible way.
Kelly

Originally posted by sonhouse
Now imagine you are on the surface of Venus. What would you think of the creator then?

One thousand degrees F, atmosphere mostly sulfuric acid and the pressure there 1500 PSI, 100 times that of Earth, no oxygen....

Well obviously on Earth it is cool to be nice to God but maybe if I found myself thinking about creators and stuff at One thousand degrees F, atmosphere mostly sulfuric acid and the pressure there 1500 PSI, 100 times that of Earth, no oxygen... maybe I would think I was in the wrong place for all that and start trying to improve my relationship with Lucifer, who would obviously be the guy in charge around there. For your average Jehovah's Witness this might be hard to carry off, but then once I explained that I had been spreading hate messages about Islam we should soon find some common ground and I am sure he needs a reliable tormentor, which is by any standard one of my great talents.

Love

Robbie