Originally posted by NosracYou have absolutely no idea about evolution - so my suggestion is find out about it, or go an talk about something else.
You may say down with creationism, but where did you come from?
Who made you?
Is there something empirically about you that is all evolution?????
If so, then you are a creature that is still evolving (per Darwin).
So, what features have you evolved lately???? Hmmmmm?
Creation is the belief in one true God. Pray for Him to become
your own personal Savior ...[text shortened]... Genesis in the Bible?
You might come to different conclusions.
See also: answersingenesis.org
Evolution does not happen within any one individual's lifetime. Evolutionary changes take many many many lifetimes. So, no I haven't evolved lately - idiot.
Do you understand the nature of science?
Clearly not, since you ask us to treat one single text as a source of all that's right and true. Science cannot do this. It doesn't work that way. I have read Genesis yes. Doesn't particularly inspire me I must say. In fact, as stories go, it's a pretty poorly written one - God must've been having a crap day that day when he inspired those pesky Jewish writers.
Originally posted by NosracI could turn around and point out the huge body of physical evidence that puts the planet at 4.53 billion years old. I could point out that the moon has been dated to roughly the same age. I could point out that the creation story in genesis is wrong (such as the sun (6 billion years old) being created before land plants (400 million years old)). I could point out that land animals evolved before birds, which, again, genesis gets wrong.
Prove me wrong, using an NIV Bible or a KJV Bible.
Go ahead...make my day.
Still, I doubt you'll listen.
All creationists should be lead out into the wilderness given nothing but a frozen husky to gnaw at. For entertainment they can beat each other over the head with the bible- it will probably be the most stimulating experience in their life.
Alternatively they could just be shot- I recommend this option.
Originally posted by NosracComputers aren't mentioned in the bible and therefore cannot possibly exist (the bible being the fount of all wisdom). Therefore you can't have typed your post and you certainly won't be able to read my reply
You may say down with creationism, but where did you come from?
Who made you?
Is there something empirically about you that is all evolution?????
If so, then you are a creature that is still evolving (per Darwin).
So, what features have you evolved lately???? Hmmmmm?
Creation is the belief in one true God. Pray for Him to become
your own personal Savior ...[text shortened]... Genesis in the Bible?
You might come to different conclusions.
See also: answersingenesis.org
Originally posted by scottishinnzI call what I believe in, faith! You on the other hand when it comes
And this from the man who believes that the world is 7,000 years old!
You cannot, despite your attempts, drag science down that way. Science isn't about personal beliefs based on gut feelings - it's about the weight of evidence. Something you seem unfamiliar with. Science, unlike religion, is not opinion.
to things that cannot be proven call them facts, the difference between
you and I is I'm honest about what I cannot prove, you delude
yourself by saying because of how your reached your belief through
science, it isn't a belief. I'm not dragging science down, I'm calling
your belief system, a belief system, and that bugs you!
Kelly
Originally posted by Conrau KOut of the mouth comes what is in the heart of man, so I'm guessing
All creationists should be lead out into the wilderness given nothing but a frozen husky to gnaw at. For entertainment they can beat each other over the head with the bible- it will probably be the most stimulating experience in their life.
Alternatively they could just be shot- I recommend this option.
you are one of the enlightened ones.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, I tried to explain it in little words for you, but you don't seem to be listening. The word "belief" means something completely different for theologians and scientists. When a scientist says that he believes something it isn't in the same way that a theist believes in god. It's based on physical evidence. It's not about belief, it's about a logical interpretation of the evidence, nothing more, nothing less.
I call what I believe in, faith! You on the other hand when it comes
to things that cannot be proven call them facts, the difference between
you and I is I'm honest about what I cannot prove, you delude
yourself by saying because of how your reached your belief through
science, it isn't a belief. I'm not dragging science down, I'm calling
your belief system, a belief system, and that bugs you!
Kelly
However, I've debated this point with you before, and I know I'm getting nowhere. I'm going to stop at this point.
Originally posted by amannionYou speak of evolutionary changes as though it were a person. What, exactly is natural selection? Is it a force? This has been asked before, but the true believers have been unable to answer. Perhaps you would like to try your hand at the same. Force of nature?
You have absolutely no idea about evolution - so my suggestion is find out about it, or go an talk about something else.
Evolution does not happen within any one individual's lifetime. Evolutionary changes take many many many lifetimes. So, no I haven't evolved lately - idiot.
Do you understand the nature of science?
Clearly not, since you ask us to ...[text shortened]... God must've been having a crap day that day when he inspired those pesky Jewish writers.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHyes, you unsuccessfully tried to get natural selection as a force of nature previously, which shows a complete lackof understanding. Natural selection is basically the result of competition between individuals; differential survival and reproduction. Very easy to define actually. Bed time...
You speak of evolutionary changes as though it were a person. What, exactly is natural selection? Is it a force? This has been asked before, but the true believers have been unable to answer. Perhaps you would like to try your hand at the same. Force of nature?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHFreaky do you have no brain?
You speak of evolutionary changes as though it were a person. What, exactly is natural selection? Is it a force? This has been asked before, but the true believers have been unable to answer. Perhaps you would like to try your hand at the same. Force of nature?
Or at least, is your memory completely gone.
I've answered this question about 10 times on one of your completely inane threads.
Natural selection is not a force!
It is a process!
My apologies for anthropomorphising natural selection (if I did) it's a fault we humans sometimes have in trying to understand things and make things simpler for us - we put them into terms that themselves are simpler.
I'll try to remember this next time I converse with you aliens from Planet StickYourHeadInABucketOfSand.
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Originally posted by scottishinnzYou may use little words or big ones, it matters not, the fact
Kelly, I tried to explain it in little words for you, but you don't seem to be listening. The word "belief" means something completely different for theologians and scientists. When a scientist says that he believes something it isn't in the same way that a theist believes in god. It's based on physical evidence. It's not about belief, it's about a int with you before, and I know I'm getting nowhere. I'm going to stop at this point.
that you think believing something that you cannot prove is
some how different, because of the source, it is still a matter
of belief and faith. You, I believe would love to think that
your beliefs are of some higher standard than a theist, and
depending on the topic maybe, but the bottom line is, there are
somethings you must accept, without being able to know for
sure your right, you simply cannot know without a doubt your
right. You have to believe your logic is without flaw, you must
think you have all the necessary pieces of the puzzle to connect
the dots, you just simply believe what it is you accept as truth is!
The universe proclaims God in my opinion, the same universe you
seem to think disproves God, but we are both looking at the
same universe, you believe your right?
Kelly
Originally posted by amannionBesides with people acting against one another, you believe you
Freaky do you have no brain?
Or at least, is your memory completely gone.
I've answered this question about 10 times on one of your completely inane threads.
Natural selection is not a force!
It is a process!
My apologies for anthropomorphising natural selection (if I did) it's a fault we humans sometimes have in trying to understand things and mak ...[text shortened]... remember this next time I converse with you aliens from Planet StickYourHeadInABucketOfSand.
have seen this process throughout life anywhere else? Within
living systems as well?
Kelly
You are just plain wrong again Kelly I am sorry to say. Science is not in the business of proving things at all it simply generates testable and falsifiable hypotheses. Proofs are present in mathematics in idealised situations. As I said previously your fumbling about in an area you plainly know approaching nothing about is harming your religion more than the science you appear to feel learned enough to comment on. I refrain from interpreting scripture or talking on theology or any subject for that matter I dont know a great deal about it whereas sadly you feel able to comment ignorantly on any range of topics without adequete schooling. Intelligence is definable as a mind capable of change and the reverse is true also unfortunately in your case.
Originally posted by amannionAnd your answer didn't hold water then, either. You must have forgotten that aspect of the conversation. A process!
Freaky do you have no brain?
Or at least, is your memory completely gone.
I've answered this question about 10 times on one of your completely inane threads.
Natural selection is not a force!
It is a process!
My apologies for anthropomorphising natural selection (if I did) it's a fault we humans sometimes have in trying to understand things and mak ...[text shortened]... remember this next time I converse with you aliens from Planet StickYourHeadInABucketOfSand.