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Originally posted by AThousandYoungI don't see how that works.
~1300 BCE is the number I have. 1450 BCE is about the time they were enslaved by Egypt.
Originally posted by RJHindsJust like your age of Earth. I say it's approximately 4 1/2 billion years old. You say it's EXACTLY 6000 years old.
As long as the term "Pharaoh" was being used at the time of Moses, that is good enough, because he is the one that wrote it down. So obviously, if the Pharaoh died in the sea, it would be at the end of his reign. Getting the exact date is not that important as long as it is at the approximate time. No one is sure of those times anyway, they are all just educated guesses.
Originally posted by RJHindsOrthodox Jews tell me Moses was on Mount Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments in 1312 BCE.
I don't see how that works.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_archaeology_Egypt_Moses
According to Biblical chronology, Moses was born in 1530 BC
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThat does not seem to work either. Do you know how they make their dates agree with the Holy Bible?
Orthodox Jews tell me Moses was on Mount Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments in 1312 BCE.
Where did your article get this number:
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_archaeology_Egypt_Moses
According to Biblical chronology, Moses was born in 1530 BC
Again, according to the Rabbis at the Yeshiva (Orthodox Jewish religi ...[text shortened]... es was born in 1392 BCE.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/73398/jewish/Moses.htm
Originally posted by RJHindsThey got their dates FROM the Bible.
That does not seem to work either. Do you know how they make their dates agree with the Holy Bible?
Originally posted by AThousandYounghttp://www.conservapedia.com/Date_of_the_Exodus
They got their dates FROM the Bible.
What do you mean "that does not seem to work"? Where are you getting your numbers from? Your articles don't show any sources or analysis.
Originally posted by RJHindsJust tell us that you don't know and you don't care.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Date_of_the_Exodus
The above articles gives another Pharaoh for the Exodus. It seems to work better with the time period that would result from the biblical record than those you give and it does mention some analysis. Obviously any attempt at dating is going to be speculative because there are no dates mentioned during thos ...[text shortened]... f the Pharaohs are consecutive. There seem to be more than one Pharaoh ruling at the same time.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThis fits with Amenhotep III (ruled c.1391–1353 B.C.), he dies at about the right time and his eldest son Thutmose disappeared from the records around his 3rd decade. He appears to have died of natural causes. Interestingly his successor was Akhenaten (ruled 1353–1336 B.C.) who made an attempt to convert Egypt to monotheism under the God Aten. I'd consider this a real possibility, but prefer Seqenenre Tao (circa 1550B.C.) since he died in battle. This also gives a bit more time for the rest of the stuff in Exodus and Judges to happen in before Saul's reign.
Orthodox Jews tell me Moses was on Mount Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments in 1312 BCE.
Where did your article get this number:
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_archaeology_Egypt_Moses
According to Biblical chronology, Moses was born in 1530 BC
Again, according to the Rabbis at the Yeshiva (Orthodox Jewish religi ...[text shortened]... es was born in 1392 BCE.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/73398/jewish/Moses.htm
Originally posted by DeepThoughtDuring Seqenenre Tao's time, Egypt was controlled by the Hyksos. Thutmose III is the one who conquered Canaan and enslaved the Jews.
This fits with Amenhotep III (ruled c.1391–1353 B.C.), he dies at about the right time and his eldest son Thutmose disappeared from the records around his 3rd decade. He appears to have died of natural causes. Interestingly his successor was Akhenaten (ruled 1353–1336 B.C.) who made an attempt to convert Egypt to monotheism under the God Aten. I'd con ...[text shortened]... a bit more time for the rest of the stuff in Exodus and Judges to happen in before Saul's reign.
Originally posted by RJHindsHe's using 1 Kings 6.
[b]Tuthmosis IV death and sudden decline of the Eqyptian Empire fits very well with him being the Pharaoh of the Exodus according to Steven Collins, PHD.
Using Historical Synchronisms to Identify the Pharaoh of the Exodus
by Steven Collins, PHD
If Tuthmosis IV was the Pharaoh of the Exodus, then the combined impact of the core events o ...[text shortened]... thmosis IV works best and why he rejects other possible Pharaohs is also given in the reference.[/b]
6 Now it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv which is the second month, that he [a]began to build the house of the Lord.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe way that verse is used is to count backward in time from the date of Solomon's reign. Wikipedia says, "The conventional dates of Solomon's reign are circa 970 to 931 BC." If that is correct then adding 480 years to 966 B.C. gives 1446 B.C. as the date of the Exodus. Nebuchadnezzar conquered Egypt and destroyed Jerusalem and Solomon's temple in either 587 or 586 B.C.
He's using 1 Kings 6.
6 Now it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv which is the second month, that he [a]began to build the house of the Lord.
~1312 BCE for the Ten Commandments (part of Exod ...[text shortened]... t way back in 1550 BCE, then Solomon would have ruled in approximately 1100 BCE, which is false.