Originally posted by RJHindsSo noone knows, right? Was there any exodus at all? Then there should be an exact date for the exodus. If not, then we shouldn't believe the story.
This is the other one that gives 1446 B.C. as the date of the Exodus.
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The above two sources make a very good case for 1447 B.C. or 1446 B.C.as the year of the Exodus.
Don't blame me, I just use creationist's rhetoric.
Creationists says that if we don't find fossils from every, I say every!, intermediary form of every specie, the evolutionists don't know. and this is the ultimate evidence that evolution is wrong. Ollie ollie ollie, praise Jebus, Ollie ollie.
Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger...
Originally posted by FabianFnaswow so if you don't have an exact date for an event it never happened.
So noone knows, right? Was there any exodus at all? Then there should be an exact date for the exodus. If not, then we shouldn't believe the story.
Don't blame me, I just use creationist's rhetoric.
Creationists says that if we don't find fossils from every, I say every!, intermediary form of every specie, the evolutionists don't know. and this is t ...[text shortened]... wrong. Ollie ollie ollie, praise Jebus, Ollie ollie.
Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger...
Originally posted by robbie carrobieit's not my kind of rhetoric. It's a creationists kind of rhetoric. I told you so.
wow so if you don't have an exact date for an event it never happened.
Don't shoot the messenger.
When I use the rhetoric, then I am stupid and it is all wrong.
When a creationist uses the same rhetoric, then he is a near genius and it is all right.
The main difficulty with dating the Exodus story is that it is very difficult to identify a Pharaoh that fits. A date of 1,447 puts the Exodus in the middle of the reign of Thutmose III, and the Biblical story gives the Pharaoh of the time as presumably dieing when the Red Sea closes over his army. So either the Biblical story omits the Pharaoh's survival, there is a problem with the description, or it happened at a different time. Also the Egyptian monarchy didn't start using the term Pharaoh until around Thutmose III's reign, the word Pharaoh translates literally as "Great House".
Josephus Flavius who was writing in the first century AD and basing his writing on an Egyptian called Mantheo who talked of two Exodus like events. He identifies the Exodus with the first one when 480,000 shepherds left Egypt. The mention of Hyksos puts this in the 16th Century B.C.. This all fits with the Biblical accounts far better than anything in the 15th Century. A pharaoh called Seqenenre Tao was killed around then. The problem for the Biblical story is that all of the people called anything like Moses (=born) were Egyptians from the Theban dynasty.
See Hyksos in Wikipedia.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtAs long as the term "Pharaoh" was being used at the time of Moses, that is good enough, because he is the one that wrote it down. So obviously, if the Pharaoh died in the sea, it would be at the end of his reign. Getting the exact date is not that important as long as it is at the approximate time. No one is sure of those times anyway, they are all just educated guesses.
The main difficulty with dating the Exodus story is that it is very difficult to identify a Pharaoh that fits. A date of 1,447 puts the Exodus in the middle of the reign of Thutmose III, and the Biblical story gives the Pharaoh of the time as presumably dieing when the Red Sea closes over his army. So either the Biblical story omits the Pharaoh's survi ...[text shortened]... anything like Moses (=born) were Egyptians from the Theban dynasty.
See Hyksos in Wikipedia.
Originally posted by FabianFnasBack in the old days they were people who had no birth certificate and did not know exactly when they were born, however, that does not mean they were never born. Or does it?
So noone knows, right? Was there any exodus at all? Then there should be an exact date for the exodus. If not, then we shouldn't believe the story.
Don't blame me, I just use creationist's rhetoric.
Creationists says that if we don't find fossils from every, I say every!, intermediary form of every specie, the evolutionists don't know. and this is t ...[text shortened]... wrong. Ollie ollie ollie, praise Jebus, Ollie ollie.
Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger...
The following video is from the point of view of an Egyptian Muslim
Akhenaten, Moses, and the Biblical patriarch Joseph
Was Yuya the Biblical Joseph? In the Cairo Museum resides the remarkably well-preserved mummy of the Grand Vizier Yuya, who served under two 18th Dynasty Pharaohs, Thutmosis IV and Amenhotep III, in the middle of the 14th Century BCE. Yuya and his wife, Thuya, are the only non-royal persons buried among the Pharaohs in the Valley of the Kings, the New Kingdom's famous royal burial ground. Prior to the discovery of the boy king Tutankhamun's fabled tomb in 1923, the tomb of Yuya and Thuya was the only almost-intact burial found in the Valley of the Kings. Yuya is, in fact, the Biblical patriarch Joseph. Yuya matches up with the Biblical Joseph in virtually every particular. And the recent DNA study published in the Journal of the AMA 2/17/10 shows that Yuya's genes were represented throughout the Royal Family to the end of the dynasty, making his family, the Israelites, very closely related to the Royal Family during the last four generations of the 18th Dynasty. And his son, Aye was the very last Pharaoh of that dynasty.
The bones of Joseph, which the children of Israel had brought up out of Egypt, they buried at Shechem, in the plot of ground which Jacob had bought from the sons of Hamor the father of Shechem for one hundred pieces of silver, and which had become an inheritance of the children of Joseph.
(Joshua 24:32 NKJV)
Originally posted by RJHinds~1300 BCE is the number I have. 1450 BCE is about the time they were enslaved by Egypt.
Egypt-When Was the Exodus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUHHGqBs-p8
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_archaeology_Egypt_Moses
ttp://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/creation.htm
The above two sources make a very good case for 1447 B.C. or 1446 B.C.as the year of the Exodus.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtThe Hyksos were at their peak in 1350 BCE. Thutmose III is the one who enslaved the Jews in the first place.
The main difficulty with dating the Exodus story is that it is very difficult to identify a Pharaoh that fits. A date of 1,447 puts the Exodus in the middle of the reign of Thutmose III, and the Biblical story gives the Pharaoh of the time as presumably dieing when the Red Sea closes over his army. So either the Biblical story omits the Pharaoh's survi ...[text shortened]... anything like Moses (=born) were Egyptians from the Theban dynasty.
See Hyksos in Wikipedia.