Originally posted by Master Of LightAgreed completely!!!...
First understand that God require us to be spiritual...not religious, we must worship him in spirit and truth...not religion and ritual. The messiah of the christians preached against tradition and rituals...yet his followers did the very opposite....I know he is upset because they did not do what he said....to AVOID the traditions of man...and the r ...[text shortened]... ..these are all man made and physical...political and beaurocratic as well.
Master Of Light
Originally posted by FORESTNYMPHIf, as you say, you have read the Bible from back to front , then you will have read this :
i am coming as a believer - i gave my whole being to God in my early thirties - i have been baptised as a young teenager again in my twenties all because it was expected of me - when i began my own search for truth and some direction i began my search from within and as you said looking at all my unconfessed sins etc - and i feel because i made a effort ...[text shortened]... tell me am i going to hell as some proclaim that i am ??????? because if so what is my crime ???
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." (Jesus quoted by John 14:6-7a)
What does this mean to you?
The key question concerning the Christian religion is this :
Was Jesus raised from the dead?
As the Apostle Paul says in the Bible
"And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins...If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men" 1 Corinthians 15:17,19.
If he wasn't then the Christian religion crumbles. If he was then : Where's the argument?
Originally posted by ianpickeringNo arguement here!!
The key question concerning the Christian religion is this :
Was Jesus raised from the dead?
As the Apostle Paul says in the Bible
"And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins...If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men" 1 Corinthians 15:17,19.
If he wasn't then the Christian religion crumbles. If he was then : Where's the argument?
Originally posted by ianpickeringthat the father and the son are one and the same
If, as you say, you have read the Bible from back to front , then you will have read this :
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." (Jesus quoted by John 14:6-7a)
What does this mean to you?
and you cannot enter the gates of heaven unless you believe that Jesus is the son of God and believe that he was crusified for our sins.
God is too pure to look upon sin that is why he sent his son to show us the way.
another question ???
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Originally posted by ianpickeringI guess you should check out the thread "why I believe" for the debate on the resurrection...
The key question concerning the Christian religion is this :
Was Jesus raised from the dead?
As the Apostle Paul says in the Bible
"And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins...If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men" 1 Corinthians 15:17,19.
If he wasn't then the Christian religion crumbles. If he was then : Where's the argument?
The problem with the Jesus thing is nobody in our time was there too witness the missing body. Its like this. If I told you I saw God three hundred years ago and built a structure on the site were I saw God and had three other people in on the scam and then built a religion based off of it and that religion just happened to proper all the way down to the year 2005. Then people are believing a scam and dont even know it. But scince i told everyone you have to have "FAITH" that I saw God then the religion is unbreakable because you cannot destroy a persons Faith because they believe in something not seen. This is why Solomon the "Wise" said everything under the sun is vain! All is Vanities! Nothing is new under the sun. Meaning. There were many Messiahnistic scams in Jesus times. There were messiahs by the dozen in his day according to history.....and the raise from the dead thing was done more than once....Jesus just happened to be the most populair. So what am I saying....Well....According to the TORAH COMMENTARIES on Solomons Words:"All Is Vanities under the sun" He is saying its best to trust in the Heavenly Father....and do works of good and correct your problems under the commands of God...because its vain to do anything else that is done in the earth....so what ever God told us to do...DO IT....anything else is vain!
Master Of Light
In second part......Because The buddist will come and say that Buddah is the messiah...which they do believe.....the Krishnas will say Hara Krishna is the messiah or Metraya is the Messiah....the Rastafarian will say Hail Salasi is the messiah! And is you slander there messiah you get into a religious battle over what? Who's messiah is the best and the right one? Thats foolishness! especially when every messiag have one thing in common....they ALL point to the All Powerful God in heaven...just each messiah has a special distinct path too him....all claim they were sent by God to lead people too God. Rather your buddist....christian....hindu....what ever...so what Solomon the "WISE" said is true:"ALL is vanities under the sun" meaning...its all vain when all you have to do is DO what God said DO! When a Messiah makes a very egotistical claim like "I am the Only one who can lead you to God" That Goes against what the God of heaven commands. He told everyone to come to him and do what he commands...he lays out the plan for being forgiven for sins and correcting your sins...so the concept of a messiah claiming HE IS THE ONLY WAY is very questionable when God invited all of mankind to come to him and obey his commands. Abraham never said he was the only way...Issac never said he was the only way....Jacob(Isreal) never said he was the only way....King David never told the world he was the only way...if a person accepted the God of Abraham they were welcomed when they followed the law of Torah! And thats that......for One Messiah to block up Torah and put a concrete wall around it and say "I am The Only way to God" causes conflict!" But here is the real doozer:Jesus taught his disciples to pray to God...not to HIM.....jesus told his disciples that there is only One that is GOOD...and that is THE FATHER IN HEAVEN...Then all of a sudden he claims he is the ONLY WAY? Sounds like contridiction. What am I saying? Im saying that Religion....Church...of that time manipulated the words of Christ...the books were not even put together till almost 40 years later......at the time relgion was dominating....under the rulership of Emporer COnstantine....who Himself claimed to be THE MESSIAH.....Because MESSIAH means one who is to become king......Constantine felt Jesus failed as the messiah and thet HE COnstantine was the TRUE messiah because he became Emporer. These all all true facts. So when Messiahs go around battling saying..."I am they only way too God" I have a problem with that.......It sounds very religious tyrant too me. When God would accept any who do is will and his law....and do works of repentance to cleanse them selves of sin. And Like the Torah say: "I am the same yesturday....today....and tomorrow" So when dod God change his mind and say:"Okay....Now I want everybody to go through Jesus to Get to me!" Huh???? Im sorry...... But it all vain...Fear God....and Give glory to him....worship him...In "SPIRIT AND TRUTH"
Master Of LIght
Originally posted by FORESTNYMPHDo you believe that you cannot enter the gates of heaven unless you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?
that the father and the son are one and the same
and you cannot enter the gates of heaven unless you believe that Jesus is the son of God and believe that he was crusified for our sins.
God is too pure to look upon sin that is why he sent his son to show us the way.
another question ???
😉😉
Do you believe that he was crucified for your sins?
Originally posted by ianpickeringthat i suppose is a hard one to answer if i want to be what most deem a true christian - so i would be a liar if i said yes that is so and i would be a liar if i said no it is not so - well basically i would not be a christian if i said no...... i am busy with a buddasim book at present - budda came 500 years before Christianity and 1000 years before Islam - so who is right and who is wrong - i believe in Jesus that he did exist - i Believe he was crucified - and i would love to believe that it was for me - but the only thing i am 100% sure of in my own heart is that God does exist and he is all. i dont suppose anyone has the answer to Jesus - except keeping faith - and if this is your faith then super stand by it - my bf is a buddist - he calls me a christian cause i believe in God - i dont break him down and he does not break me down - with try to live in harmony with each others religion...... so at present because of all that goes around i do get my doubts about Jesus - but my son once said to me - listern to what is in your heart, cause that is where your faith lies and dont allow anyone to make you stray from that - "my son believes the strength of your faith takes you to the promised land, and how you have conducted yourself in this world that God created and to show compassion and love for your fellow man and as long as you believe in God you on your way" he is 16 -
Do you believe that you cannot enter the gates of heaven unless you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?
Do you believe that he was crucified for your sins?
Originally posted by FORESTNYMPHThats the problem with Messiahanistic Beliefs. Every Messiah that rose up claim A drastic penealty or a hint of a drastic penalty if you dont believe in that particulair Messiah. So that they can funnel down there own specific and unique teachings. The problem is each messiah claim they have some totality relationship with God. And This is how diffrant religions are formed. But if you study everything about God he freely Offers you entrance into his Holy Courts when You accept his laws and precepts. These Messiahs build a wall around God and Make themselves the Apsolute and only way and they threat by saying if you dont believe in them you will be hated by God or sent to hell! The HOly Torah says that all to cling to it will become a pathway to the world so that the world my find God. Each individual who cling to The Ancient HOly Torah can be a Messiah and lead people to God. BUt that messiah should not claim He or She is the only way or only one....Any who Cling to the Fire Of Torah is admonished to shed this light to the world so that the world can see God. When A messiah claims he is Absolute and Claim total supremecy over all others this is a dark action. "If you dont accept me you will not get to God and burn in hell!" Thats the underline tone of these "Absolute Supreme Messiahs" There is only One HOly One.....and this HOly One has placed a Divine Spark in all of us. Some of us has removed this divine spark by clinging to the abyss and the darkness below.....some of us dont know we have the spark....some of us do and become enlightened and allow that spark to flare up our souls and illuminate the world around us....thus becoming a God....a child of God the Father. We are a offspring of Him....Making us divine...a God. Serving the Father God. Then we must wake up our brothers and sisters that are asleep who have the divine spark deep within there souls.
that i suppose is a hard one to answer if i want to be what most deem a true christian - so i would be a liar if i said yes that is so and i would be a liar if i said no it is not so - well basically i would not be a christian if i said no...... i am busy with a buddasim book at present - budda came 500 years before Christianity and 1000 years before Isl ...[text shortened]... sion and love for your fellow man and as long as you believe in God you on your way" he is 16 -
I am a Kabbalist Master. I climbed through the 32 paths of wisdom....our major text of study is the Ancient HOly ZOhar.....I encourage youmy Brothers and sisters...to study it and find out about yourself...your Divine Royal Inheritance....and your HOly Sonship or Daughtership tp God your Father....so that you can become the god or goddess you were destined to become. The HOly Zohar reveals the secrets of the universe....and the secrets your Father the God Of Light and Father of Light has placed in your sleeping souls. Your Father the Infinite and Endless Light calls too you My brothers and Sisters....will you come home?
Master OF Light
Originally posted by Sicilian SmaugThe bible has no contradictions. show me one....that is one of the differences to other religions. Another is that only Christianity has a Redeemer who paid the penalty for sin, and the only one God raised from the dead, to offer hope rather than judgement. Christianity is not a step by step, earn salvation, etc., it is a free gift for the taking, in the person of Jesus Christ.🙂
I am a 'dont knower' on the subject of God (or Gods) . I am not a total atheist but one thing ive heard is that all the holy books, Qu'ran ,bible etc contain numerous contradictions.. So are any of them the true word of God? or did the bloke who wrote them just mess up a bit? Also wouldnt it be funny if all these people round the world spent there ...[text shortened]... ll that would have been! (im expecting possible insults over this msg .. but i dont really mind)