Originally posted by Jay JoosWhy wouldn't he? The Bible claims that man was made in Gods image. You have no good reason to believe that God is not lying to you and deceiving you all the time. In fact, if you believe that God exists then the evidence that he is deceptive far outweighs the evidence that he isn't.
Why would God distort himself!!!! mankind are good at doing that.....
But then you probably hold with the common statement "I cant believe in a God like that" or "If I am wrong then I don't want to be right".
Originally posted by twhiteheadCan you read my mind? ....no.....
Why wouldn't he? The Bible claims that man was made in Gods image. You have no good reason to believe that God is not lying to you and deceiving you all the time. In fact, if you believe that God exists then the evidence that he is deceptive far outweighs the evidence that he isn't.
But then you probably hold with the common statement "I cant believe in a God like that" or "If I am wrong then I don't want to be right".
God is all loving....he would not lie.....
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Originally posted by Jay JoosHis wordly goods were restored twofold as I recall. Now, you tell me, were all of Job's sons brought back from the dead (+1 extra for each risen one)?
Tell me..... what was Jobs reward at the end of it all?
Would you be willing to allow all of your children to die so that God could win a bet with Satan, and you could double your worldly posessions? The source of all morality indeed...
Originally posted by TheSkipperHe was also allowed to live for a considerable time....
His wordly goods were restored twofold as I recall. Now, you tell me, were all of Job's sons brought back from the dead (+1 extra for each risen one)?
Would you be willing to allow all of your children to die so that God could win a bet with Satan, and you could double your worldly posessions? The source of all morality indeed...
The main reason for this "bet" was to test Job's loyalty and he passed and was considerably rewarded.... names escape me at the moment but there was also a chap who was told by God to sacrifice his son.... another test of loyalty....and this chap passed....God stopped him just before he struck his son.....
He tests us all the time....and all he wants is loyalty from the people he created !!!
Originally posted by Jay JoosWay to not answer my question.
He was also allowed to live for a considerable time....
The main reason for this "bet" was to test Job's loyalty and he passed and was considerably rewarded.... names escape me at the moment but there was also a chap who was told by God to sacrifice his son.... another test of loyalty....and this chap passed....God stopped him just before he struck his s ...[text shortened]... ...
He tests us all the time....and all he wants is loyalty from the people he created !!!
Why would an all powerful God need to test our faith when he can instantly know both our minds and our hearts?
Are you sure you have given this enough thought?
The "chap's" name, BTW, was Isaac.
Originally posted by TheSkipperHis sons were not brought back....
Way to not answer my question.
Why would an all powerful God need to test our faith when he can instantly know both our minds and our hearts?
Are you sure you have given this enough thought?
The "chap's" name, BTW, was Isaac.
He knows but he tests us anyway because we have free will...
I have thought about it and i reply with my heart which is from God....
Thank you....Isaac..... are you a Atheist?.... are you one of those Atheists that study the bible to try and catch Theists out.... if you are.....😳
Originally posted by Jay JoosI'm a former theist (protestant-Baptist) who has recently turned to atheism for a much needed reality check.
His sons were not brought back....
He knows but he tests us anyway because we have free will...
I have thought about it and i reply with my heart which is from God....
Thank you....Isaac..... are you a Atheist?.... are you one of those Atheists that study the bible to try and catch Theists out.... if you are.....😳
In fact, the story of Job and others like it (both from biblical and modern times) is one of the main reasons I abandoned my faith. I could no longer honestly perform the mental gymnastics required to believe that an omni-everything God can exist in conjunction with evil and human suffering.
I have studied the Bible somewhat extensively, but I do not go looking for instances to "catch theists out"...I figure they have enough problems just keeping all the mythology straight without me showing up to confuse the matter further.
I will say, however, that the extent to which many Christians are ignorant of the theology which comprises their own religion is very aggravating.
Originally posted by TheSkipperI respect your view....🙂
I'm a former theist (protestant-Baptist) who has recently turned to atheism for a much needed reality check.
In fact, the story of Job and others like it (both from biblical and modern times) is one of the main reasons I abandoned my faith. I could no longer honestly perform the mental gymnastics required to believe that an omni-everything God can exi ...[text shortened]... ristians are ignorant of the theology which comprises their own religion is very aggravating.
Originally posted by Jay JoosHmmm...I can't honestly say that I, in turn, respect your view (at least, as it has been portrayed in these forums), but I respect you...how's that?
I respect your view....🙂
Out of curiosity (and if you don't mind my asking), what is your age (an approximation will do if you prefer, like "middle-aged" etc.), and how long have you been a Christian?
Originally posted by TheSkipperDetails, Details, Details.
Way to not answer my question.
Why would an all powerful God need to test our faith when he can instantly know both our minds and our hearts?
Are you sure you have given this enough thought?
The "chap's" name, BTW, was Isaac.
Isaac was the sacrifice. Abraham was the "chap."