Who hardened Pharaoh's heart?

Originally posted by Coletti
That's not the biblical definition of evil. That would mean getting a tattoo is evil. It would mean a doctor resetting a broken bone is evil. That would mean defending someone from attack is evil. Heck, we cause pain and suffering all the time and it's not evil by most standards, much less biblically.

Ok... You are taking the definition out of context, but fine....


Killing the first born of all families in a city???????


Where is killing an innocent child (and not just one) not an evil act?

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
True...that is the belief...but why inflict pain and suffering upon Eqypt, with deliberation!?

To inflict such a thing and mean to do so roots solidly in what humanity has defined as EVIL.

Knightwulf: "To inflict such a thing and mean to do so roots solidly in what humanity has defined as EVIL."

You claim that humanity has defined evil. That remains to be seen.

Humanity wants the authority to define evil. That is certain.

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
The "Problem of evil" question.....

Well.... given that God is the one, per the biblical writing, that actually brought about these acts, would that not say, per the bible and the attributation to the "problem of evil" that God, Himself has an evil side?

On that note.... Since Christianity claims to be a mono-theistic religion, Satan should not ...[text shortened]... am not attacking any beliefs with the questions...they are based upon the responses received...

Knightwulfe: "Could it be that, in fact, God IS Satan? They are one and the same? he is both sides of the coin?"

Not in Christian teaching, but there are other systems of thought which teach this doctrine in some form.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]Knightwulf: "To inflict such a thing and mean to do so roots solidly in what humanity has defined as EVIL."

You claim that humanity has defined evil. That remains to be seen.

Humanity wants the authority to define evil. That is certain.[/b]

Humanity HAS defined evil. Look at dictionary.com.

What does it mean to "want authority" to define it?

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
True...that is the belief...but why inflict pain and suffering upon Eqypt, with deliberation!?

To inflict such a thing and mean to do so roots solidly in what humanity has defined as EVIL.

First of all, humanity's definition/perception of evil is likely lacking.

Secondly, your notions imply that our court system is evil since it puts people in prison, inflicting suffering on them.

And in fact, in this particular instance, God was judging Egypt at the same time he was delivering Israel. Egypt had enslaved Israel for about 400 years!! Thus the need for the deliverance.

God brought plague after plague, gradually getting worse, until finally Pharaoh let the people go. If Pharaoh had let the people go after the first plague, none of the other plagues (including the firstborn) would have happened. God was more than fair with torturous, enslaving Egypt.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Humanity HAS defined evil. Look at dictionary.com.

What does it mean to "want authority" to define it?

Thanks for the link.


ATY: What does it mean to "want authority" to define it.

Now thàt is what the story of Adam and Eve is all about.

Who hardened Pharaoh's heart?
1.pat benetar??
2.his arteries were hardened and it spread???
3.epoxy resin????
4.GOD (sorry blindfaith i couldnt resist the caps)
(actually if memory serves me right in the bible the LORD aka YHVH the god of israel... hardened pharaohs heart , that ,and his smoking and drinking binges )

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Thanks for the link.


ATY: What does it mean to "want authority" to define it.

Now thàt is what the story of Adam and Eve is all about.

That's not an answer to my question.

Originally posted by joelek
First of all, humanity's definition/perception of evil is likely lacking.

Secondly, your notions imply that our court system is evil since it puts people in prison, inflicting suffering on them.

And in fact, in this particular instance, God was judging Egypt at the same time he was delivering Israel. Egypt had enslaved Israel for about 4 ...[text shortened]... ing the firstborn) would have happened. God was more than fair with torturous, enslaving Egypt.

Didn't you notice that God forced Pharoah to have a hard heart by the end of the series of plagues? How is someone supposed to let people go when God is controlling his emotions?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Didn't you notice that God forced Pharoah to have a hard heart by the end of the series of plagues? How is someone supposed to let people go when God is controlling his emotions?

So in your opinion, Pharaoh didn't decide to not let the people go? He wanted to let them go, but something compelled him to do otherwise?

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
Ok... You are taking the definition out of context, but fine....


Killing the first born of all families in a city???????


Where is killing an innocent child (and not just one) not an evil act?

God had his own "first born son" put to death.

i knew it all along
god is evil
ironic twist to an even more ironic story in
the twilight zone jk 😉

Originally posted by Coletti
God had his own "first born son" put to death.

Doesn't it strike you as pretty evil that God would arrange it specifically
such that every first-born would get killed just so Moses could leave after
10 plagues and not, say 5? That's a little different than sending Jesus on
a suicide mission for the expiation of the world's sins.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
That's a little different than sending Jesus on
a suicide mission for the expiation of the world's sins.

Topic for a thread: Did Jesus commit suicide? 🙄

i think i already covered it before in one of my drivel fits i mean posts