25 Dec 16
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHow and why did this happen, do you think?
Correct. Jesus never claimed to be God.
Indeed those who say otherwise seem unable to make a case better than "flimsy".
Seems like people approach the words of Jesus with preconceived notions and try to make His words fit them rather than allow His words to speak for themselves. It's a travesty.
What the hell happened?
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by chaney3From what I can tell, a lot of people place "feeling good" above truth. It can make them quite irrational.
How and why did this happen, do you think?
What the hell happened?
It makes them "feel good" to believe that Jesus claimed to be God.
It makes them "feel good" to believe in sola fide. From what I can tell, those concepts were introduced in the 16th century.
If you are unfamiliar with the term, here's wiki's explanation:
Sola fide (Latin: by faith alone), also known as justification by faith alone, is a Christian theological doctrine that distinguishes most Protestant denominations from the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and some parts of the Restoration Movement.
The doctrine of sola fide asserts God's pardon for guilty sinners is granted to and received through faith alone, excluding all "works". All mankind, it is asserted, is fallen and sinful, under the curse of God, and incapable of saving itself from God's wrath and curse. But God, on the basis of the life, death, and resurrection of his Son, Jesus Christ alone (solus Christus), grants sinners judicial pardon, or justification, which is received solely through faith. Faith is seen as passive, merely receiving Christ and all his benefits, among which benefits are the active and passive righteousness of Jesus Christ. Christ's righteousness, according to the followers of "sola fide," is imputed (or attributed) by God to the believing sinner (as opposed to infused or imparted), so that the divine verdict and pardon of the believing sinner is based not upon anything in the sinner, nor even faith itself, but upon Jesus Christ and his righteousness alone, which are received through faith alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan you give me an example of a thing that defines you as a Christian that you "adopt" but which has no effect on what you "put into practice" ["apply"]. I find it hard to believe that giving "tacit support to [a Christian] idea without ever putting it into practice" can realistically be something that defines a Christian ~ or can it?
The distinction is that there is a difference between adopting an ideology and applying its tenets. One can for example give tacit support to an idea without ever putting it into practice.
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarWho is a Christian?
I see you are not a christian and agree with other non christians.
Funny how you start up a thread just to go on and on about you disbelief.
Did you read my OP?
Tell me the qualifications.
Is Jesus God? Or no?
You, Eladar, treat Christianity poorly, with a broad stroke, from a troubled painter.
Is Jesus God?
Where did He clearly say it?
Clearly?
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by chaney3Those who believe that Jesus is not God are not christian.
Who is a Christian?
Did you read my OP?
Tell me the qualifications.
Is Jesus God? Or no?
You, Eladar, treat Christianity poorly, with a broad stroke, from a troubled painter.
Is Jesus God?
Where did He clearly say it?
Clearly?
I've answered your question twice and asked you a questiin which you ignored.
Continue to go on and on about nothing.