Who is an antichrist

Originally posted by KellyJay
If the standard is not even to dwell on it, if it is in your heart is as if you did
it, how many would be good?
Kelly

Your "spirituality" seems to have rendered you dysfunctional in terms of partaking in a discussion about "morality".

Originally posted by FMF
Your "spirituality" seems to have rendered you dysfunctional in terms of partaking in a discussion about "morality".

the same phenomena that renders you incapable of rational thought, perhaps its contagious?

Originally posted by FMF
Your "spirituality" seems to have rendered you dysfunctional in terms of partaking in a discussion about "morality".

You know, or should have known what Jesus said about thinking about sin.
You put it out of you head maybe to avoid what is before you, hard to say.
I guess it is easier to insult me than address the points brought up.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry, no idea what you are talking about.

It is simple, to do something requires action. To get to the point about doing
something, you'll think about it, the thoughts alone are enough for sin.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I have no idea. But what relevance does that have to the discussion?

You give me a few things to say well are these good, I said yes. Are they
done without fault, without going against your 'rules of goodness', because
if you not keep them, your own rules show you how bad you are, when you
cannot even keep them.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You give me a few things to say well are these good, I said yes. Are they
done without fault, without going against your 'rules of goodness', because
if you not keep them, your own rules show you how bad you are, when you
cannot even keep them.

But people who subscribe to your religionist doctrine do not always keep to their moral code either.

Originally posted by FMF
But people who subscribe to your religionist doctrine do not always keep to their moral code either.

No one can, why do you think we need Jesus?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No one can, why do you think we need Jesus?
Kelly

Except Rajk999. 😏

Originally posted by KellyJay
No one can, why do you think we need Jesus?
Kelly

But people who believe they "need Jesus" do not always keep to their moral code either. I hope you are a morally sound person. And whatever makes you morally sound [if indeed you are], it is good for those around you, even if at its core your ideology ~ when it comes to your personal "salvation" and "immortality" ~ is deeply self-centred. Morality is a lubricant that makes human interactions positive and good. Morality does not, as far as I know, make anyone's "soul" live for ever. Morality is about life here on earth and nothing else. Morality and 'being free of sin' may seem to overlap in certain matters, but they are not the same thing.

Originally posted by FMF
But people who believe they "need Jesus" do not always keep to their moral code either. I hope you are a morally sound person. And whatever makes you morally sound [if indeed you are], it is good for those around you, even if at its core your ideology ~ when it comes to your personal "salvation" and "immortality" ~ is deeply self-centred. Morality is a lubricant ...[text shortened]... and 'being free of sin' may seem to overlap in certain matters, but they are not the same thing.

You think that as quick as you accept Jesus you will now have to live
the perfect life, and if you sin one time after that you are doomed?
He saved us while we were yet sinners, we could not get good enough
to force Him into accepting us, He knew where we were and why! While
in that state God moved to save, and He did not do that just to condemn
us if sin springs up in us afterwards?

I'm more than likely much more aware of my short comings now than
before I was saved. I will also agree with Rajk999 that is not premission
to go sin, we are to turn from it and towards the Lord. Our righteousness
is in Jesus Christ not ourselves. The great thing about all of this is, that
God is the best part of Christianity, the closer you get to Him the better
life is, He is our great reward.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You think that as quick as you accept Jesus you will now have to live
the perfect life, and if you sin one time after that you are doomed?

I have said nothing of the sort.

You have asserted that my life is "full of evil". How are people to know that your life is not "full of evil" too?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I understand you think people without God are good, I mean all the
rapes, murders, wars, beheadings, stealing, cheating, backstabbing,
and so on are just okay! No sliding scale required, this one is okay he
only cheats on taxes, not on his wife.

How do you manage to extrapolate and fire off this almost hysterical accusation from what I suggested as a basis for morally sound behaviour, that is to say: "Coerce no one. Deceive no one. Harm no one."?

Originally posted by FMF
I have said nothing of the sort.

You have asserted that my life is "full of evil". How are people to know that your life is not "full of evil" too?

We have ALL sinned and fallen short, everyone one of us, myself
included. Our selfish nature is at odds with God, God who is Love.
Our rightousness is as filthy rags to Him, that is our rightiousness, us
at our best. You are no different than me or anyone else.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
How do you manage to extrapolate and fire off this almost hysterical accusation from what I suggested as a basis for morally sound behaviour, that is to say: "Coerce no one. Deceive no one. Harm no one."?

I said those were good things, but only good things if they were obeyed
all the time. Do you ever harm anyone? Do you ever coerce, or deceive?
Our lives are what we live out, not the noble ideas we hold as dear! When
we fall short of our own ideals how do you think we will stand before a
Holy God?

If you use people as your standard of rightousness, you pick up all of the
fallen nature we all share.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
We have ALL sinned and fallen short, everyone one of us, myself
included. Our selfish nature is at odds with God, God who is Love.
Our rightousness is as filthy rags to Him, that is our rightiousness, us
at our best. You are no different than me or anyone else.
Kelly

So my life is "full of evil" and your life is "full of evil" too, according to you? Why didn't you say so when you claimed that my life is "full of evil" after I explained how I try to live a morally sound life? You say: "You are no different than me or anyone else". If this is in fact so, then what difference does it make that you mention Jesus all the time?