Spirituality
03 Sep 14
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayI said those were good things, but only good things if they were obeyed
all the time. Do you ever harm anyone? Do you ever coerce, or deceive?
Yes. Don't you too?
When we fall short of our own ideals how do you think we will stand before a Holy God?
Presumably you believe that we will be judged and then possibly be tortured in burning agony for all eternity, right?
If you use people as your standard of rightousness, you pick up all of the
fallen nature we all share.
So you share the "fallen nature" too despite using the person of Jesus as your standard? Is that what you are admitting?
06 Sep 14
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Originally posted by FMFWe are going to be in either one of two places, within the Kingdom of
[b]I said those were good things, but only good things if they were obeyed
all the time. Do you ever harm anyone? Do you ever coerce, or deceive?
Yes. Don't you too?
When we fall short of our own ideals how do you think we will stand before a Holy God?
Presumably you believe that we will be judged and then possibly be tortured in burning ago ...[text shortened]... nature" too despite using the person of Jesus as your standard? Is that what you are admitting?[/b]
God or not. The not leaves you in the only other place that lake of fire.
It was made for Satan and his angels, then all of those that joined him.
Yes, I admit without Christ in my life I'd have no hope, and with Christ
I'm saved in him due to his righteousness not my own, due to my
fallen nature.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFI'm admitting I am a sinner just like all the others sinners before God in
[b]I said those were good things, but only good things if they were obeyed
all the time. Do you ever harm anyone? Do you ever coerce, or deceive?
Yes. Don't you too?
When we fall short of our own ideals how do you think we will stand before a Holy God?
Presumably you believe that we will be judged and then possibly be tortured in burning ago ...[text shortened]... nature" too despite using the person of Jesus as your standard? Is that what you are admitting?[/b]
my own righteousness. I fall short, I do not measure up, I need Jesus.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayYour "fallen nature"? So you are confessing that you do not live a morally sound life?
Yes, I admit without Christ in my life I'd have no hope, and with Christ
I'm saved in him due to his righteousness not my own, due to my
fallen nature.
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo you believe there is no "eternal torture" for people like me, bearing in mind what you know about my beliefs?
We are going to be in either one of two places, within the Kingdom of
God or not. The not leaves you in the only other place that lake of fire.
It was made for Satan and his angels, then all of those that joined him.
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFI believe those that end up in the Lake of fire, will be there forever
So you believe there is no "eternal torture" for people like me, bearing in mind what you know about my beliefs?
experiencing it. Just as those that God will not hold their sins against
them will never be condemned, but be shown mercy. Those that are
condemned will feel God's wrath.
I do not believe on judgment day God will mix mercy with wrath. You
will either enter into mercy of an eternal holy God, or enter into His
wrath. As great as one is, the other will be just as horrible, every sin will
be paid in full.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
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Originally posted by FMFNo, not okay with any of those. I dislike snide remarks, put downs, and
Are you "okay" with "rapes, murders, wars, beheadings, stealing, cheating, backstabbing"?
a ton of other nasty things we do to each other. Myself included I admit
to my shame do these things or think about them. I so need Jesus, and
I go to Him when I realize I've been there and done that.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayDid you "go to Jesus" and admit your "shame" after you snidely declared that I was "okay" with "rapes, murders, wars, beheadings" on account of my Do No Harm moral code?
No, not okay with any of those. I dislike snide remarks, put downs, and
a ton of other nasty things we do to each other. Myself included I admit
to my shame do these things or think about them. I so need Jesus, and
I go to Him when I realize I've been there and done that.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFI told you why I said that, because you choose people to be your guide
Did you "go to Jesus" and admit your "shame" after you snidely declared that I was "okay" with "rapes, murders, wars, beheadings" on account of my Do No Harm moral code?
to what is good, and those are things that we do to each other. So no
I did not go to God for that, because I do not feel like it was a snide
remark.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo you think there is no "eternal torture" for a person like me?
I believe those that end up in the Lake of fire, will be there forever
experiencing it. Just as those that God will not hold their sins against
them will never be condemned, but be shown mercy. Those that are
condemned will feel God's wrath.
I do not believe on judgment day God will mix mercy with wrath. You
will either enter into mercy of an eternal ...[text shortened]... As great as one is, the other will be just as horrible, every sin will
be paid in full.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJaySo for you to assert that my Don't Harm~Deceive~Coerce moral code means I am "okay" with "rapes, murders, wars, beheadings" is NOT snide, but for me to ask you if YOU are "okay" with "rapes, murders, wars, beheadings" is snide? Is that how it works?
I told you why I said that, because you choose people to be your guide
to what is good, and those are things that we do to each other. So no
I did not go to God for that, because I do not feel like it was a snide
remark.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFI don't see a difference between you and me and our all that we do to
So my life is "full of evil" and your life is "full of evil" too, according to you? Why didn't you say so when you claimed that my life is "full of evil" after I explained how I try to live a morally sound life? You say: "You are no different than me or anyone else". If this is in fact so, then what difference does it make that you mention Jesus all the time?
make ourselves righeous, I believe both of our rightdousness is as
filthy rags I have said compared to what we are going to held
accountable to, which is God.
The only one that can save any of us, and I do hope you get saved is
Jesus Christ. If you look around at people and say how they behave is
the standard by which I live, that is a moving target and a very low bar.
Since we have all ready done enought to be condemned, than Christ is
our only hope.
Kelly
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayBut you have admitted that your life is "full of evil" and that you have a "fallen nature" and you have said "I don't see a difference between you and me" even as you accuse me of thinking "rape" and "murder" is "okay". If Jesus cannot make you live a morally sound life, then what is the point of citing him and mentioning him all the time?
The only one that can save any of us, and I do hope you get saved is
Jesus Christ. If you look around at people and say how they behave is
the standard by which I live, that is a moving target and a very low bar.
06 Sep 14
Originally posted by KellyJayA bit like this?
I'm admitting I am a sinner just like all the others sinners before God in
my own righteousness. I fall short, I do not measure up, I need Jesus.
"“‘You are worthless without him. You need him in your life. You are unloveable and unworthy of love. You are evil and nothing you can ever do is good enough to be accepted by him. But he will love you, anyway, despite your state of unloveability, worthlessness, and evilness. Obey everything he says to do. He knows what is best for you, despite any plans, hopes, or dreams you have of your own that is not part of how he thinks you need to behave and what he thinks you should do with your life. You need to submit completely to his will.’ "
http://tinyurl.com/pr87x34