Originally posted by thesonofsaulthesonofsaul: "Actually, for once, ivanhoe is actually making sense."
Actually, for once, ivanhoe is actually making sense. He is merely reacting to having his ideas segragated. All he is saying in a rather strange way can be put simply like thus: "How would you like your ideas segregated?"
I don't agree with ivanhoe's ideas or even his discussion tactics, but that does not mean he deserves to be put in a cage, no matter how "equal" that cage is.
Down with the whiners.
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Actually, I'm hearing such statements more and more lately ...... and not just lately ...... 😀
Originally posted by rwingettYou're trying hard not to understand what I'm saying. Worn out tactics ....
As usual, it's been a complete waste of my time talking to you.
Well Rwingo, it certainly is a way of dodging things and I guess it is a way of trying to hide your "commitment" to this case.
EDIT: This thread's title is "Who's got the spiritual balls?".
You apparently haven't got them, not even atheist freethinker balls.
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Who has the balls to stand up and explain what is wrong with the existence of this Spirituality ex Debates forum, and with the ideas and motivations behind its inception?
Anybody at all?
I am actually for the forum. I am tired of needless religious debates being spoilt by people simply out to hijack the discussion.
As for forum moderation, perhaps this forum may provide the environment for mutual respect of athiest/theist views. I still believe RHP posts have on numerous occasions transgressed UK law regarding protection of religious belief, so this forum may provide a safehaven for those wishing to discuss their beliefs, safe of purposely malicious and insulting threads.
my 2c.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIt only becomes sad when people allow it to happen without speaking out against it. So now that you, pcaspian, and most other users have simply accepted it, yes, it is sad.
Isn't it sad to be forced to create a safe-haven for people with a certain conviction, so they cannot be harrassed anymore, so they are protected against attacks from vulgar streetfighters like no1 and Rwingett ?
And nobody was forced to create this forum. All that has happened by force is the forced removal of religious ideas from Debates.
Originally posted by pcaspianHow will it provide an environment for mutual respect of atheists and theists?
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
[b]Who has the balls to stand up and explain what is wrong with the existence of this Spirituality ex Debates forum, and with the ideas and motivations behind its inception?
Anybody at all?
I am actually for the forum. I am tired of needless religious debates being spoilt by people simply out to hijac ...[text shortened]... e wishing to discuss their beliefs, safe of purposely malicious and insulting threads.
my 2c.[/b]
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
It only becomes sad when people allow it to happen without speaking out against it. So now that you, pcaspian, and most other users have simply accepted it, yes, it is sad.
Actually I supported the authority of individual moderators eg: Pradt and Phlab, when they were under fire. I've been rather vocal about my dislike of this majority rules system we have yet have tried to support this system nevertheless, seems my alert seldom added to the important 'i' tally.
For example. You were banned for a period of time for using the word stick and pimp (and then not accepting your reprimand). Yesterday I heard someone ask Darfius an extremely vulgar question about him and his God. In my view, removing this user instead of his post is the correct solution, but then I can't enforce my view, at most when I feel my voice isn't heard, I move on.
I do hope the religious forum proves a means to discuss one's faith with some sort of security from abuse and vulgar comments. I can't guarantee that and at most I can continue to alert posts. Hardly think blaim falls on me when the standard of forum etiquete falls below someone's expectation ...
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
It only becomes sad when people allow it to happen without speaking out against it. So now that you, pcaspian, and most other users have simply accepted it, yes, it is sad.
And nobody was forced to create this forum. All that has happenned by force is the forced removal of religious ideas from Debates.
Haven't you read my quality conversations with No1 when he was at it ? Haven't I adressed the way Rwingett dealt with the problem ? Haven't I adressed the fact that certain people want privileges which they are not willing to grant others ? Haven't I asked Darfius to restrict himself to a few threads clearly dealing with religious issues in order to reduce the irritation caused by his actions ? Haven't I adressed the problem ? Haven't I offered the, in my view, optimal solution of NOT reading and reacting to the threads and posts in question ?
The creation of this "Spirituality" forum is an acceptable sub-optimal solution as far as I can see. It is not optimal but acceptable.
What would have been the alternatives ?
-Banning the ones causing the irritation even after they responded positively to the question of restricting themselves ?
-Banning from the site the ones who were acting out in a harrassing, degrading and insulting way towards fellow RHP debaters they saw as a problem ?
Originally posted by kirksey957
How will it provide an environment for mutual respect of atheists and theists?
When you pictures of you family out on the streets, you're bound to find one or two jerks making vulgar comments. When you pass them out only to people who themselves have families, you tend to have some sort of mutual respect. Ofcourse I may be wrong, but haven't really got too much to lose by making a forum like this.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI believe it is to protect normal, right-thinking people from rabid evangelists.
Isn't it sad to be forced to create a safe-haven for people with a certain conviction, so they cannot be harrassed anymore, so they are protected against attacks from vulgar streetfighters like no1 and Rwingett ?
Originally posted by kirksey957Maybe you, Kirk, should speak out against disrespectfull behaviour by streetfighters like No1, Rwingett and other bullies when they are acting out their unacceptable and insulting behaviour ....... You are always silent and NEVER supporting those who are being bullied. Why not ? Are you afraid of receiving the same treatment from the bullies ? Are you afraid of being lumped together with evangelicals, with proselytisers ? Why do you never speak out against the bullies ?
How will it provide an environment for mutual respect of atheists and theists?
Originally posted by pcaspianOK, but by virtue that this is the internet, isn't everyone "out on the streets."
Originally posted by kirksey957
[b]How will it provide an environment for mutual respect of atheists and theists?
When you pictures of you family out on the streets, you're bound to find one or two jerks making vulgar comments. When you pass them out only to people who themselves have families, you tend to have some sort of mutual respect ...[text shortened]... Ofcourse I may be wrong, but haven't really got too much to lose by making a forum like this.
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