Originally posted by ExyThen go play chess and quite cluttering up the forums with your
That is a nonsense argument! So, what you're advocating is that the vast number of people who come to this site gradually get completely turned off the forums altogether so a very small number of people can squabble eternally and score points of each other in insulting debates, well I say fooey, sir!! You want to do that then invite them over to your Forum Wars site and host it for them. WE - the vast majority of people here - are here to play CHESS!
ideas or points of views on any matters that do not have anything
to do with chess. Practice what you preach if you don’t you show
yourself to be a hypocrite, you should stop your complaining that
the rest of us need to refrain about topics not chess related when
you don’t.
Kelly
I keep seeing posts about "censorship", "freedom of speech", "exclusion", etc. in regards to this new forum. NONE of those things apply here. This is a privately owned and operated web site. It's a business. There are no rights here other than the ones the site owners gives us. So let's put away our victim cards. We're not forced to be here.
A new forum was created for religious debate. That's all this is. They're not separating black kids from white kids, they're not denying women the right to vote, and they're not forcing anyone to post anywhere they don't want to. So we can put a lid on the sensationalism too.
It's just a religious forum on a chess site. Get over it.
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm not being a hypocrite by arguing that Chess, first and foremost ought to be the primary focus of the community. The religious evangelism has been a growing concern for a long time and now that the admins have finally done something to improve the situation I have no choice to come out strongly against Dr. Scribbles attempt to overturn the decision by popular revolt, if that is what this thread is all about?!
Then go play chess and quite cluttering up the forums with your
ideas or points of views on any matters that do not have anything
to do with chess. Practice what you preach if you don’t you show
yourself to be a hypocrite, you should st ...[text shortened]... to refrain about topics not chess related when
you don’t.
Kelly
Originally posted by CliffLandinYour prejudge is sickening, you want to complain that people change
This is exactly why this forum was created. Some people don't believe in god, jesus and eternal damnation, so they don't want to be constantly inundated with your condemnation. Every thread that was started ended as an arguement about who's god can beat up any other god. I'm sorry that you feel that your First Amendment rights have been stepped on, b ...[text shortened]... freedom of speech when you yell fire in a theatre or yell fire and brimstone in a debate forum.
subjects in threads? It happens all the time in every board, it isn't
just religious points that it happens with. You can also bring your
points back to what you want to talk about no one is stopping you,
unlike people with prejudice who want to strip others of the ability
to post on a debate board topics that may contain spiritual topics
or contents.
Kelly
Originally posted by ExyThen go play chess, and get out of the spiritual board. If that is what
I'm not being a hypocrite by arguing that Chess, first and foremost ought to be the primary focus of the community. The religious evangelism has been a growing concern for a long time and now that the admins have finally done something to improve the situation I have no choice to come out strongly against Dr. S[b]cribbles attempt to overturn the decision by popular revolt, if that is what this thread is all about?![/b]
you think is the right thing to do, than do it! No one is forcing you on
this board, you are making it a point to come to the spirituality board
to tell others they shouldn't post about non-chess topics, so why don't
you stop posting and go play chess, practice what you preach! If you
don't you are indeed a hypocrite, and you debating this topic only
proves it.
Kelly
I've got no games waiting or I would! Seriously, I don't have a problem with the Spirituality Forum existing, I don't have a problem with genuine members of this community having discussions about matters expressing their religious belief in the Debates forum.
However, I have noticed in the last year a rise in the number of posts made by non-paying members who've yet to complete a single chess game evangelising in the General and Debates forum and I see this as opportunistic trolling, nothing more or less and it needed to be dealt with one way or another.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are right that threads get hijacked all the time. However, you must admit that the vast majority of thread hijacking was done by religious folks, mostly by a couple of people that have posted in this thread. As far as bringing the thread back on topic, I have tried that only to be critisized by the zealots. I am not prejudice against religion, I went to both Catholic school and Baptist school, I just don't feel that every discussion has to turn into a pissing match about god. There is a time and a place for everything, unfortunately for you and fortunately for the rest of us, you place is here. Like I said before you aren't banned from the other forums, you are just asked to check your religion at the door.
Your prejudge is sickening, you want to complain that people change
subjects in threads? It happens all the time in every board, it isn't
just religious points that it happens with. You can also bring your
points back to what you want to talk about no one is stopping you,
unlike people with prejudice who want to strip others of the ability
to post on a debate board topics that may contain spiritual topics
or contents.
Kelly
I have mixed feelings about this separate spirituality forum.
It's hard to vote against it, since we already have separate forums for Clans, Chess, and Puzzles. It seems absurd to argue that this is 'segregation', because all the same names are here in this new forum, even the atheists and agnostics. I could even argue that this new forum is a natural extension of a topic that deserves its own forum, since over half of the 'debates' started out as religious.
I am also sympathetic to those who fear moderation, however. Making a new forum to avoid offending people is really weak. I do not see how anyone is being 'spared' offense by having a separate forum. As I said earlier, most of the same ol' names from both sides seem to be here in the new forum. It makes little sense to gloat about being able to skip the Spirituality forum when you could have just as easily skipped the religious threads in the old Debates forum (most of the thread titles were obviously religious in nature).
Finally, Lebanon. I hear this point mentioned often by the pro-Spirituality Forum side. If you are relying on mods to keep the new forum separate from the old, then why didn't the mods clean out the off-topic religious stuff from the Lebanon thread, or move it to a new thread? Some of you don't like to alert posts, but this new system will be no less susceptible to abuse.
Originally posted by CliffLandinYou prove my point, I'm being asked to check my religion at that door.
You are right that threads get hijacked all the time. However, you must admit that the vast majority of thread hijacking was done by religious folks, mostly by a couple of people that have posted in this thread. As far as bringing the thread back on topic, I have tried that only to be critisized by the zealots. I am not prejudice against religion, I wen ...[text shortened]... you aren't banned from the other forums, you are just asked to check your religion at the door.
Kelly
Originally posted by NyxieThe rule would have been difficult to enforce, not that worthwhile things don't deserve effort, but people's (ie mod's) time is limited. I can also see users complaining that the rule wasn't being enforced equitably and more trouble and strife.
A rule against the hijacking of threads would have been less offnsive then this.
Nyxie
I'm surprised and a bit dismayed that the religious people seem to feel ghetto-ized, surely debate on all things will continue as we all get used to the new system?
Originally posted by KneverKnightI don't know what the religious people are complaining about. They've got a forum which seems to implicitly endorse their point of view. By calling it "Spirituality" the forum could be construed as an area specifically set aside for christians to proselytize. The atheists, meanwhile, will concievably be made to feel unwelcome from posting their point of view in both the debates forum and the spirituality forum.
The rule would have been difficult to enforce, not that worthwhile things don't deserve effort, but people's (ie mod's) time is limited. I can also see users complaining that the rule wasn't being enforced equitably and more troubl ...[text shortened]... on all things will continue as we all get used to the new system?
Originally posted by rwingettDo atheists all have zero spirituality?
I don't what the religious people are complaining about. They've got a forum which seems to implicitly endorse their point of view. By calling it "Spirituality" the forum could be construed as an area specifically set aside for christians to proselytize. The atheists, meanwhile, will concievably be made to feel unwelcome from posting their point of view in both the debates forum and the spirituality forum.