Why Are Things Believed ?

@kellyjay said
Then it would help if you said, "I believe they are subjective," your use of language
isn't one of subjectivity; you should at least mean what you say as you say it.

We are both expressing subjective perspectives. I think you struggle with language, KellyJay, to be honest. Both in terms of how inarticulate you are and also in terms of how you don't seem to understand or remember what people say.

@fmf said
We are both expressing subjective perspectives. I think you struggle with language, KellyJay, to be honest. Both in terms of how inarticulate you are and also in terms of how you don't seem to understand or remember what people say.

Please don't lie; when we express ourselves, we are both quite capable of saying
this is what I believe; this is what I know; you can express with clarity exactly
what you are saying and why. You make proclamations about what we can and
cannot know; you don't put qualifiers on it as if this is nothing but a subjective
the point you believe in, you say it as if it is an undisputed fact, and when you
do that draws responses from me, and you wonder why, seriously?

You spend a lot of time looking for my motives for the things I say, ignoring at
times the topic I'm speaking about to give warning this is what I'm trying to say
and getting it wrong, then you spout off like this, I know this is what I have been
saying, but it means this instead, really, don't you know!? You are very articulate,
and I can only imagine you know how to say something with clarity, so there is
no ambiguity; you choose not to.

And with predictable tone and belittlement, you talk about how inarticulate I am for
failing to see what you mean when you talk, saying one thing in a way that means
something else completely than how you are saying it.

@kellyjay said
Please don't lie; when we express ourselves, we are both quite capable of saying
this is what I believe; this is what I know; you can express with clarity exactly
what you are saying and why.

I am not lying, KellyJay.

@kellyjay said
You make proclamations about what we can and
cannot know; you don't put qualifiers on it as if this is nothing but a subjective
the point you believe in, you say it as if it is an undisputed fact

Your proclamations and my proclamations on these matters are subjective.

@kellyjay said
You spend a lot of time looking for my motives for the things I say, ignoring at
times the topic I'm speaking about to give warning this is what I'm trying to say
and getting it wrong

You spend a lot of time waffling because you are evasive. What is your motive?

@kellyjay said
You are very articulate,
and I can only imagine you know how to say something with clarity, so there is
no ambiguity; you choose not to.

I am articulate and I am cogent and clear. The more I get to the heart of the matter, the more evasive and prideful you get.

@kellyjay said
And with predictable tone and belittlement, you talk about how inarticulate I am for
failing to see what you mean when you talk, saying one thing in a way that means
something else completely than how you are saying it.

This is drivel, KellyJay.

@fmf said
I am not lying, KellyJay.

You are stating your opinion as if it were a fact, misrepresenting the truth by
declaring your opinion as if it were a fact, deliberately after constant corrections
you continue to do it. Our arguments are mostly me agreeing it is your opinion,
and telling you that you are wrong, not because it is your opinion, but because
you are stating it as if your opinion were a fact. Why would I or anyone else argue
something you think is your opinion, we wouldn't. You don't believe in God you
have rejected Jesus Christ, why would I or anyone be surprised that an Anti-Christ
position on any topic of a spiritual nature would come from you? Hardheartedly
arrogant makes you unable to see your use of the language counters your own
main position in life, as it contradicts itself on its face.

@fmf said
This is drivel, KellyJay.

You hold two positions contradicting themselves as true statements simultaneously,
so saying what I am is drivel or nonsense from you, more than likely, is a good thing.

Consistency isn't one of your strong suits in logic.

@kellyjay said
You are stating your opinion as if it were a fact, misrepresenting the truth by
declaring your opinion as if it were a fact, deliberately after constant corrections
you continue to do it.

We are just sharing our subjective opinions. If you wish to refer to your own opinions as "corrections" of mine, so be it.

@kellyjay said
Our arguments are mostly me agreeing it is your opinion,
and telling you that you are wrong, not because it is your opinion, but because
you are stating it as if your opinion were a fact.

You don't like how I state my subjective opinions, I hear you.

@kellyjay said
You hold two positions contradicting themselves as true statements simultaneously.

No I'm not. Don't be so silly.

@kellyjay said
You don't believe in God you
have rejected Jesus Christ, why would I or anyone be surprised that an Anti-Christ
position on any topic of a spiritual nature would come from you?

Nothing is stopping you from viewing my perspectives through your religious prism. It doesn't matter how surprised [or not surprised] you are by the stances I take.

@kellyjay said
Hardheartedly
arrogant makes you unable to see your use of the language counters your own
main position in life, as it contradicts itself on its face.

So says someone who posts so much stuff that makes him sound like a fumbling dunce.

@kellyjay said
You are stating your opinion as if it were a fact, misrepresenting the truth by
declaring your opinion as if it were a fact.

I am not "misrepresenting the truth", KellyJay. Don't be so prideful and numb. We are both sharing our subjective opinions about the truth of matters about which we can only speculate.