@kellyjay saidWhatever the supposed rising from the dead "means" to you or how it makes you feel, this meaning and feeling do not turn it into a "historical truth".
I guess rising from the dead doesn't mean what it used to.
Religious faith rooted in supernatural causality pertains to things you cannot demonstrate to be true: this is the very essence of what "faith" is.
Your claim that it is "the truth" is exactly that: a claim.
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@fmf saidSo what if it is? How would that be any of your damn business?
Whatever the supposed rising from the dead "means" to you or how it makes you feel, this meaning and feeling do not turn it into a "historical truth".
Religious faith rooted in supernatural causality pertains to things you cannot demonstrate to be true: this is the very essence of what "faith" is.
Your claim that it is "the truth" is exactly that: a claim.
Wouldn't you agree that you are expressing bigotry in action by trying to demolish or undermine someone else's worldview in favor of your own?
And if you were to "win" the discussion, what exactly would be the benefit(s) of that result?
Are you here to play chess or to kick the spiritual supports out from under other people?
@fmf saidPeople make claims all of the time; some claim the universe is billions of years old,
Whatever the supposed rising from the dead "means" to you or how it makes you feel, this meaning and feeling do not turn it into a "historical truth".
Religious faith rooted in supernatural causality pertains to things you cannot demonstrate to be true: this is the very essence of what "faith" is.
Your claim that it is "the truth" is exactly that: a claim.
others different times, some claim life sprang up from dead dirt or no living material
without anything but random chance, some claim they are married to someone
else, some claim they know who their mom and dad are, the earth is full of people
making claims.
Some claims bring about change; others hinder them, some bring hate, others
love, the truth is found as you examine the results, the details, simply saying I
don't believe no matter what is said is not examining a claim, it is defining the
possibly out of existence by definition only; you simply don't want it to be true
so it isn't.
@kellyjay saidYes, KellyJay, the world is full of people making claims.
People make claims all of the time; some claim the universe is billions of years old,
others different times, some claim life sprang up from dead dirt or no living material
without anything but random chance, some claim they are married to someone
else, some claim they know who their mom and dad are, the earth is full of people
making claims.
Some claims bring about c ...[text shortened]... the
possibly out of existence by definition only; you simply don't want it to be true
so it isn't.
@kellyjay saidYou should track someone down who is "not examining the claims" you make and talk to them about it.
simply saying I
don't believe no matter what is said is not examining a claim, it is defining the
possibly out of existence by definition only; you simply don't want it to be true
so it isn't.
I think Christianity is well worth examining. I had many very good years as a Christian.
If you manage to engage someone here who is "not examining the claims" you make, then I will watch with interest.
@fmf saidAnd some are true, others not; the fact that claims are made only shows that we
Yes, KellyJay, the world is full of people making claims.
are proclaiming what we think is true or right, or what we want to think is true or
right. The validity of the claims denied or embraced stands on their own being
true or not.
@kellyjay saidAnd in matters pertaining to the supernatural, the "validity of the claims denied or embraced" all falls within the realm of subjectivity.
And some are true, others not; the fact that claims are made only shows that we
are proclaiming what we think is true or right, or what we want to think is true or
right. The validity of the claims denied or embraced stands on their own being
true or not.
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@fmf saidYou all can do is make such a claim as if it's true while proclaiming all matters of the
And in matters pertaining to the supernatural, the "validity of the claims denied or embraced" all falls within the realm of subjectivity.
supernatural are only subjective. You assume you know enough to deny all matters
supernatural, which means you think you do know that as objective truth, so your
statement is nothing but a contradiction.
@kellyjay saidFirst of all, I don't "deny all matters supernatural". Don't be so disingenuous. I started a whole thread to divest you of this silly strawman. Now here you are pretending you haven't read it.
You assume you know enough to deny all matters
supernatural, which means you think you do know that as objective truth, so your
statement is nothing but a contradiction.
Second of all, I do not claim my perspective is "objective". Don't be so disingenuous. Have you not read any of my posts for the last 15 years?
@kellyjay saidYour perspectives on "matters of the supernatural" and my perspectives on "matters of the supernatural", are both subjective. I must have made this clear to you 200 times. Why are pretending otherwise?
You all can do is make such a claim as if it's true while proclaiming all matters of thesupernatural are only subjective.
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@kellyjay saidYou assume you know enough to deny all matters supernatural
You all can do is make such a claim as if it's true while proclaiming all matters of the
supernatural are only subjective. You assume you know enough to deny all matters
supernatural, which means you think you do know that as objective truth, so your
statement is nothing but a contradiction.
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@fmf saidThen it would help if you said, "I believe they are subjective," your use of language
Your perspectives on "matters of the supernatural" and my perspectives on "matters of the supernatural", are both subjective. I must have made this clear to you 200 times. Why are pretending otherwise?
isn't one of subjectivity; you should at least mean what you say as you say it.