Why Are Things Believed ?

@kellyjay said
People like me, being what?

People whose beliefs are like yours.

Why do people like you believe this 'Jesus' Auschwitz-Birkenau' stuff when other people don't?

@kellyjay said
I'm responsible for my life, and that doesn't place me above anyone else; I'm still
not the judge of the whole world; I didn't create the world or my own life.

Is that a yes or a no?

I didn't ask you about whether or not you place yourself "above anyone else".

@kellyjay said
I'm still
not the judge of the whole world.

I didn't ask you if you think you are "the judge of the whole world".

@kellyjay said
I didn't create the world or my own life.

I didn't ask you if you think you "created the world" or created your "own life".

@kellyjay said
Do you think they should all agree with each other one way or another? Seriously,
what kind of question is that, given your stance on truth and opinions, do you think
those who accept it and those that reject it have opinions? Are all opinions driven
by truth or personal preferences, maybe a mixture of both preferences and what
they think it is true?

Wow, talk about a volley of counter-questions and no answer!

@kellyjay said
Are all opinions driven
by truth or personal preferences, maybe a mixture of both preferences and what
they think it is true?

People like me, being what?

Do you agree with me that all your claims about "truth" and "reality" are driven by your personal opinions?

@fmf said
People whose beliefs are like yours.

Why do people like you believe this 'Jesus' Auschwitz-Birkenau' stuff when other people don't?

There is a class of people who believe in hell?

@moonbus said
The thread is about belief in supernatural causality and factors underpinning such belief. If you want to argue cosmology or metaphysics, start your own thread.

You are avoiding the factors underpinning the beliefs, and you claim you are looking
for them, do you even know what it is you want?

@kellyjay said
There is a class of people who believe in hell?

I didn't use the word "class". Boy oh boy, you ain't half tossing red herrings into your Gish galloping responses! You believe in the 'Jesus' Auschwitz-Birkenau' stuff. You believe that is "reality". Why do people like you believe this 'Jesus' Auschwitz-Birkenau' stuff when other people don't?

@fmf said
Do you agree with me that all your claims about "truth" and "reality" are driven by your personal opinions?

No, I've tried to make that clear to you over the years, we do not create truth, we
do not form reality by our beliefs, by our opinions, by our likes and dislikes. We
have them, but do they line up with reality needs to be checked against it, since
truth doesn't contradict itself, is what we believe possible to live with, without
contradictions?

@kellyjay said
No, I've tried to make that clear to you over the years, we do not create truth, we
do not form reality by our beliefs, by our opinions, by our likes and dislikes. We
have them, but do they line up with reality needs to be checked against it, since
truth doesn't contradict itself, is what we believe possible to live with, without
contradictions?

Do you agree with me that all your claims about your beliefs supposedly "lining up with reality" are driven by your personal opinions?

@kellyjay said
No,

So your claims about "truth" and "reality" are NOT driven by your personal opinions? Are you really claiming this?

@kellyjay said
Why ask me am I the focal point of who goes where? I didn't create the universe,
I'm not the judge of all the earth? Hell is much worse than Auschwitz; there will be
no end, while death allows those in Auschwitz to leave it, for those who can kill the
body can do no more.

It is astonishing how you manage to miss the point of nearly every question put to you. It’s not about how bad hell is. It’s about how you came to believe in this particular image; how you came to believe in hell has nothing to do with truth or reality. You have not been to hell, so you do not know whether there really is such a place.

Stop avoiding the question. How did you come to believe this? You don’t know hell is real, yet you believe it. How so? Did someone (a priest maybe) you trust tell you about it? How did HE know? since he’s not been there either. Why would you trust someone who doesn’t know?

@fmf said
I didn't use the word "class". Boy oh boy, you ain't half tossing red herrings into your Gish galloping responses! You believe in the 'Jesus' Auschwitz-Birkenau' stuff. You believe that is "reality". Why do people like you believe this 'Jesus' Auschwitz-Birkenau' stuff when other people don't?

People like me