Originally posted by robbie carrobieAhhh, so the truth leaks out eventually.
I have no problem with stating that Christ is a divine being, the angels were divine
beings also, i have a problem with these people stating that he is the Almighty. Where
does the text sate that our souls are pre-mortal?
Your whole what? 8 pages or so of arguing like a mule is over people saying that Christ was saying He is God. But you have your head so stuffed up with JW dogma that you can't let go of.
So what happens next? To save your dogma, you claim all this smokescreen about "so how do you KNOW the translation is correct? You don't" baloney, when the fact is God states in Exodus "I AM" and Jesus states in John "I AM". And this answers dive's question very well. The average "man-in-the-street" in Jesus' time knew scripture well. Of course they would connect Christ's "I AM" to God's "I AM" from Exodus.
The problem here is that Jesus saying "I AM" just like God said "I AM" is not the same as Jesus saying that He is God. But YOU are so afraid of people here drawing the connection that you launch into page after page of smokescreen.
Good job. /eyeroll
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWho was he Robbie? Was he the archangel MIchael? Many speculated he was Elijah. What say you? Was he just an ordinary man like us only without sin?
Jesus declared himself to be Almighty God incarnate.
sorry i cannot seem to find that in the text, why? because its not there, that is why.
spare me your dogma, i am not interested. Such a crashing bore.
From what I have gathered with JW"s I have encountered, JW's believe that Jesus created us yet he is not our God. If you believe this as well I assume that your position is that he is divine, but not God. Is this correct?
Perhaps this is more relevantly said in other threads, but, I think it's very obvious that Jesus Christ taught others in such a way as to have us draw our own conclusions. Speaking in parables where we figure them out is a much more powerful teaching technique than to just come out and say it plainly. At the same time, as Jesus alluded to, it allows for the confounding and confusion by those who haven't had their eyes opened yet.
Nope, I don't see in Scripture where Jesus said, "Listen up folks. I hereby decree, being of sound mind, that I am GOD."
However, should we expect Him to come outright and say it word for word when all His other teachings were not delivered in such a manner?
Originally posted by sumydidI didn't know we had the option of expecting Jesus to say anything we expect Him to say.
Perhaps this is more relevantly said in other threads, but, I think it's very obvious that Jesus Christ taught others in such a way as to have us draw our own conclusions. Speaking in parables where we figure them out is a much more powerful teaching technique than to just come out and say it plainly. At the same time, as Jesus alluded to, it allows for th ...[text shortened]... and say it word for word when all His other teachings were not delivered in such a manner?
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Originally posted by josephwWell I didn't either. But evidently there are some here who believe that if Jesus didn't spell something out word for word clearly and plainly for all to see, then it can't be what He intended to say. I mean, if that's true, then toss all the parables out the window and pretty much just go ahead and toss all His teachings. I'm not prepared to do that.
I didn't know we had the option of expecting Jesus to say anything we expect Him to say.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Originally posted by whodeythis is indeed what i have been saying through out. for this can actually be derived
Who was he Robbie? Was he the archangel MIchael? Many speculated he was Elijah. What say you? Was he just an ordinary man like us only without sin?
From what I have gathered with JW"s I have encountered, JW's believe that Jesus created us yet he is not our God. If you believe this as well I assume that your position is that he is divine, but not God. Is this correct?
from the text. Perhaps you may explain it to the others, they seem to be having
trouble with it.
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Originally posted by Suziannei have not made any references to anything but the text, how this could evade you
Ahhh, so the truth leaks out eventually.
Your whole what? 8 pages or so of arguing like a mule is over people saying that Christ was saying He is God. But you have your head so stuffed up with JW dogma that you can't let go of.
So what happens next? To save your dogma, you claim all this smokescreen about "so how do you KNOW the translation is corre hat you launch into page after page of smokescreen.
Good job. /eyeroll
is quite beyond me, but then again, you dont know what the text states, your
content to, with reference to your own words, 'feel it', well listen up Missy, feel
your bum for God knows you need to be brought back to reality. You dont know
what the text states, do you, for if you did you would not be drivelling about I AM, as
if it had any reference to divinity. Christ does not even quote from exodus, Exodus
from the Hebrew does not say, I AM, but you are so wilfully ignorant that you dont
know that and seek to project your ignorance onto others. This is not a statement
of arrogance its a fact, not one of you nominal Christians has actually looked to see
what the Hebrew states, have you, nooo, you are content to ply your ignorance
because its all you can do. Either do your research on the text or just shut your
mouth, its embarrassing to note the level of education among professed Christians
as to what their Bibles actually state, furthermore, when someone brings it to your
attention, you become defensive and start talking even more jive, 'just feel the text',
just feel your bum!
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Originally posted by josephwwhere does Jesus claim to be equal to God, can you point it out to me from the text? I
They were going to stone Jesus for blasphemy. For claiming to be equal with God.
If two or more things are equal, then they are the same.
can point out where he states that 'the father is greater than I', but equal, please point
it out or you people are being called out for lying.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo to you Jesus (Yahshua) the Christ is a devine being, who created
this is indeed what i have been saying through out. for this can actually be derived
from the text. Perhaps you may explain it to the others, they seem to be having
trouble with it.
everything, but falls a little short of being God. But since He was the only
begotten Son of God, Christ could not have been an angel because they
were all created by the Son. So what kind of being could this Son of God
be that in the beginning shared the glory with God and created all things
and then took on flesh to become a little lower than the angels and then
was exalted back above the angels to share again the glory of God?