1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    26 Oct '11 16:252 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    why have you ignored every one of those references, the father s greater than I, had
    to do with his manhood, i dont think so for you cannot escape that fact that after he is
    resurrected and ascends to the heavens he subjects himself to God, you zoobs are
    practically busted.
    Have you forgotten that all authority has been given to Him by the Father.
    He is now the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Every knee shall bow
    to Him to the glory of God the Father. The Father judges no man, all the
    Judging has been turned over to the Son. And He shall reign together
    with the Father on a throne that will last forever and ever. Hallelu YAH !!!

    P.S. At the Judgment Day when Christ asks you if you believe I AM [He]
    are you going to say, "Yes, my Lord and My God"?
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    26 Oct '11 16:33
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Have you forgotten that all authority has been given to Him by the Father.
    He is now the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Every knee shall bow
    to Him to the glory of God the Father. The Father judges no man, all the
    Judging has been turned over to the Son. And He shall reign together
    with the Father on a throne that will last forever and ever. Hallelu YAH !!!
    ALL authority except one ...

    Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    Only one entity God the Father, knows the hour of the second coming of Christ.
    More proof that the Father and the Son are two distinct and separate entities.
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    26 Oct '11 17:29
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    ALL authority except one ...

    Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

    Only one entity God the Father, knows the hour of the second coming of Christ.
    More proof that the Father and the Son are two distinct and separate entities.
    They are distinct and separate PERSONS, but not distinct and separate
    ENTITIES. GOD is ONE ENTITY consisting of THREE distinct and separate
    PERSONS. This is the Trinity Doctrine.
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    26 Oct '11 17:322 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Have you forgotten that all authority has been given to Him by the Father.
    He is now the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Every knee shall bow
    to Him to the glory of God the Father. The Father judges no man, all the
    Judging has been turned over to the Son. And He shall reign together
    with the Father on a throne that will last forever and ever. Ha ...[text shortened]... en Christ asks you if you believe I AM [He]
    are you going to say, "Yes, my Lord and My God"?
    yet he still subjects himself to the father even after having ascended to heaven, suck it
    up RJH, why would he do that if he was equal? answer, he would not, Christ has never
    claimed equality with God, as the references demonstrate, but you have not the
    integrity nor the honesty to admit it, shameful for one professing to be a Christian,
    utterly shameful.
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    26 Oct '11 17:371 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    They are distinct and separate PERSONS, but not distinct and separate
    ENTITIES. GOD is ONE ENTITY consisting of THREE distinct and separate
    PERSONS. This is the Trinity Doctrine.
    no its a pile on conjecture heaped upon supposition washed down with hogwash with a
    splash of balderdash, utter twaddle you bounder!
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    26 Oct '11 17:52
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yet he still subjects himself to the father even after having ascended to heaven, suck it
    up RJH, why would he do that if he was equal? answer, he would not, Christ has never
    claimed equality with God, as the references demonstrate, but you have not the
    integrity nor the honesty to admit it, shameful for one professing to be a Christian,
    utterly shameful.
    The Son loves the Father just as the Father loves the Son.
    Don't you understand anything about love?
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    26 Oct '11 17:52
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    no its a pile on conjecture heaped upon supposition washed down with hogwash with a
    splash of balderdash, utter twaddle you bounder!
    Whatever. 😀
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    26 Oct '11 18:122 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Son loves the Father just as the Father loves the Son.
    Don't you understand anything about love?
    Love makes them one but does not make them equal.
    Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    But that does not void this verse..
    1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

    Christ is one with God but still subject to and under God. Therefore they are not equal. Similarly a man and wife are one but the man is still above the wife. Christ and his disciples are one, all of Christ followers are one in Christ ...

    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    ONENESS DOES NOT MEAN EQUALITY.
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    27 Oct '11 04:075 edits
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Love makes them one but does not make them equal.
    Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    But that does not void this verse..
    1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

    Christ is one with God but still subject to and under God. Therefore t ...[text shortened]... her male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [/i]

    ONENESS DOES NOT MEAN EQUALITY.
    I don't think you understand what the Gospel of John is saying from
    the beginning to the end. It starts off with the fact that in the beginning
    of time the WORD existed with GOD and this was Deity just like GOD.
    It was because of this Deity, that is like GOD, that all things came into
    existence. Then John says. "the WORD became flesh, and dwelt among
    us, and and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the
    Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) John is identifying Christ
    as the WORD, the same Deity that was with GOD in the beginning, and
    as a result, all things came into existence. This Deity, like GOD, put on
    flesh to become as a man in the days of John.

    Paul say it like this, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
    creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on
    earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
    authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is
    before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the
    body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so
    that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the
    Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him
    to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of
    His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven."
    (Colossians 1:15-20)

    "God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions
    and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He
    appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is
    the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and
    upholds all things by the word of His power."
    (Hebrews 1:1-3)

    Don't you get the idea? Christ has the human nature but also the God nature.
    The Father only has the God nature so who is better to judge us the Father
    or His Son, Christ Jesus? There is only one God nature just as there is only
    one human nature. Man is flesh and bone, while God is spirit.

    Paul says again, "For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
    and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all
    over all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9 NASB)

    This is what Paul meant when he said Christ was the first-born of all
    creation and first-born of the dead. He is the first over all things, living or
    dead and that means He is also head over all rule and authority as he says
    here. How can He be all this and not also be GOD?

    P.S. One could also argue that the Son is greater than the Father now
    for the Son has the God nature and also the human nature. Also a woman
    is greater than a man for what man can produce a baby from his body?
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Don't you get the idea? Christ has the human nature but also the God nature.
    The Father only has the God nature so who is better to judge us the Father
    or His Son, Christ Jesus?
    I didn't see where you answered the question but I think you are expecting the reader to know your position through implication.

    But from my understanding it is God and God alone who will be doing the judging. However, Christ will intercede for those whose hearts are annointed with His blood. God's judgment will pass over us.

    I used those words intentionally because this same scenario was played out in Egypt vis-à-vis the Passover event.

    The Passover, quite obviously, was a foreshadowing of things to come. It's mind-numbing to think that this has never occurred to the Jews, even to this very day.
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    27 Oct '11 04:241 edit
    Originally posted by sumydid
    I didn't see where you answered the question but I think you are expecting the reader to know your position through implication.

    But from my understanding it is God and God alone who will be doing the judging. However, Christ will intercede for those whose hearts are annointed with His blood. And we, God's judgment will pass over us.

    I used those wor ...[text shortened]... It's mind-numbing to think that this has never occurred to the Jews, even to this very day.
    No, absolutely not, if you are referring to God as the Father and not as the Son.
    The scriptures says clearly that the Father Judges no man and all Judging has
    been left to the Son.

    P.S. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment
    to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He
    who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
    (John 5:22-23)
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    27 Oct '11 04:38
    Yes indeed. I'm wondering now why I have heard many a sermon and lecture depicting Christ as one who will intercede for us on the day of judgment.

    Even in Romans, Paul says that Jesus is interceding for us.

    However, there is no doubt now that I've seen several verses that provide correction on my assertion, especially Matt 25.

    Thanks again.
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    27 Oct '11 05:20
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Yes indeed. I'm wondering now why I have heard many a sermon and lecture depicting Christ as one who will intercede for us on the day of judgment.

    Even in Romans, Paul says that Jesus is interceding for us.

    However, there is no doubt now that I've seen several verses that provide correction on my assertion, especially Matt 25.

    Thanks again.
    Because Jesus is man and has walked in our shoes, it may be easier for
    Him to see our point of view and provide that insight to His God nature
    when making the Judgment and as God He knows our heart and if we are
    sincere in our repentance and our faith and belief. Maybe it is something
    like this that they are referring to when He intercedes on our behalf since
    it may be difficult for us to present our defense otherwise. After all I am
    sure He would wish us to have a fair trial and feel that we have been judged
    correctly. Satan is our accuser and it sounds good that we will be
    represented by a good lawyer, even the Judge Himself.
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