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Originally posted by robbie carrobieHave you forgotten that all authority has been given to Him by the Father.
why have you ignored every one of those references, the father s greater than I, had
to do with his manhood, i dont think so for you cannot escape that fact that after he is
resurrected and ascends to the heavens he subjects himself to God, you zoobs are
practically busted.
He is now the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Every knee shall bow
to Him to the glory of God the Father. The Father judges no man, all the
Judging has been turned over to the Son. And He shall reign together
with the Father on a throne that will last forever and ever. Hallelu YAH !!!
P.S. At the Judgment Day when Christ asks you if you believe I AM [He]
are you going to say, "Yes, my Lord and My God"?
Originally posted by RJHindsALL authority except one ...
Have you forgotten that all authority has been given to Him by the Father.
He is now the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Every knee shall bow
to Him to the glory of God the Father. The Father judges no man, all the
Judging has been turned over to the Son. And He shall reign together
with the Father on a throne that will last forever and ever. Hallelu YAH !!!
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Only one entity God the Father, knows the hour of the second coming of Christ.
More proof that the Father and the Son are two distinct and separate entities.
Originally posted by Rajk999They are distinct and separate PERSONS, but not distinct and separate
ALL authority except one ...
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Only one entity God the Father, knows the hour of the second coming of Christ.
More proof that the Father and the Son are two distinct and separate entities.
ENTITIES. GOD is ONE ENTITY consisting of THREE distinct and separate
PERSONS. This is the Trinity Doctrine.
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Originally posted by RJHindsyet he still subjects himself to the father even after having ascended to heaven, suck it
Have you forgotten that all authority has been given to Him by the Father.
He is now the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Every knee shall bow
to Him to the glory of God the Father. The Father judges no man, all the
Judging has been turned over to the Son. And He shall reign together
with the Father on a throne that will last forever and ever. Ha ...[text shortened]... en Christ asks you if you believe I AM [He]
are you going to say, "Yes, my Lord and My God"?
up RJH, why would he do that if he was equal? answer, he would not, Christ has never
claimed equality with God, as the references demonstrate, but you have not the
integrity nor the honesty to admit it, shameful for one professing to be a Christian,
utterly shameful.
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Originally posted by RJHindsno its a pile on conjecture heaped upon supposition washed down with hogwash with a
They are distinct and separate PERSONS, but not distinct and separate
ENTITIES. GOD is ONE ENTITY consisting of THREE distinct and separate
PERSONS. This is the Trinity Doctrine.
splash of balderdash, utter twaddle you bounder!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe Son loves the Father just as the Father loves the Son.
yet he still subjects himself to the father even after having ascended to heaven, suck it
up RJH, why would he do that if he was equal? answer, he would not, Christ has never
claimed equality with God, as the references demonstrate, but you have not the
integrity nor the honesty to admit it, shameful for one professing to be a Christian,
utterly shameful.
Don't you understand anything about love?
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Originally posted by RJHindsLove makes them one but does not make them equal.
The Son loves the Father just as the Father loves the Son.
Don't you understand anything about love?
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
But that does not void this verse..
1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Christ is one with God but still subject to and under God. Therefore they are not equal. Similarly a man and wife are one but the man is still above the wife. Christ and his disciples are one, all of Christ followers are one in Christ ...
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
ONENESS DOES NOT MEAN EQUALITY.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I don't think you understand what the Gospel of John is saying from
Love makes them one but does not make them equal.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
But that does not void this verse..
1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Christ is one with God but still subject to and under God. Therefore t ...[text shortened]... her male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [/i]
ONENESS DOES NOT MEAN EQUALITY.
the beginning to the end. It starts off with the fact that in the beginning
of time the WORD existed with GOD and this was Deity just like GOD.
It was because of this Deity, that is like GOD, that all things came into
existence. Then John says. "the WORD became flesh, and dwelt among
us, and and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the
Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) John is identifying Christ
as the WORD, the same Deity that was with GOD in the beginning, and
as a result, all things came into existence. This Deity, like GOD, put on
flesh to become as a man in the days of John.
Paul say it like this, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is
before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the
body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so
that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the
Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him
to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of
His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven."
(Colossians 1:15-20)
"God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions
and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He
appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is
the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and
upholds all things by the word of His power."
(Hebrews 1:1-3)
Don't you get the idea? Christ has the human nature but also the God nature.
The Father only has the God nature so who is better to judge us the Father
or His Son, Christ Jesus? There is only one God nature just as there is only
one human nature. Man is flesh and bone, while God is spirit.
Paul says again, "For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all
over all rule and authority." (Colossians 2:9 NASB)
This is what Paul meant when he said Christ was the first-born of all
creation and first-born of the dead. He is the first over all things, living or
dead and that means He is also head over all rule and authority as he says
here. How can He be all this and not also be GOD?
P.S. One could also argue that the Son is greater than the Father now
for the Son has the God nature and also the human nature. Also a woman
is greater than a man for what man can produce a baby from his body?
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Originally posted by RJHindsI didn't see where you answered the question but I think you are expecting the reader to know your position through implication.
Don't you get the idea? Christ has the human nature but also the God nature.
The Father only has the God nature so who is better to judge us the Father
or His Son, Christ Jesus?
But from my understanding it is God and God alone who will be doing the judging. However, Christ will intercede for those whose hearts are annointed with His blood. God's judgment will pass over us.
I used those words intentionally because this same scenario was played out in Egypt vis-à-vis the Passover event.
The Passover, quite obviously, was a foreshadowing of things to come. It's mind-numbing to think that this has never occurred to the Jews, even to this very day.
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Originally posted by sumydidNo, absolutely not, if you are referring to God as the Father and not as the Son.
I didn't see where you answered the question but I think you are expecting the reader to know your position through implication.
But from my understanding it is God and God alone who will be doing the judging. However, Christ will intercede for those whose hearts are annointed with His blood. And we, God's judgment will pass over us.
I used those wor ...[text shortened]... It's mind-numbing to think that this has never occurred to the Jews, even to this very day.
The scriptures says clearly that the Father Judges no man and all Judging has
been left to the Son.
P.S. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment
to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He
who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
(John 5:22-23)
Yes indeed. I'm wondering now why I have heard many a sermon and lecture depicting Christ as one who will intercede for us on the day of judgment.
Even in Romans, Paul says that Jesus is interceding for us.
However, there is no doubt now that I've seen several verses that provide correction on my assertion, especially Matt 25.
Thanks again.
Originally posted by sumydidBecause Jesus is man and has walked in our shoes, it may be easier for
Yes indeed. I'm wondering now why I have heard many a sermon and lecture depicting Christ as one who will intercede for us on the day of judgment.
Even in Romans, Paul says that Jesus is interceding for us.
However, there is no doubt now that I've seen several verses that provide correction on my assertion, especially Matt 25.
Thanks again.
Him to see our point of view and provide that insight to His God nature
when making the Judgment and as God He knows our heart and if we are
sincere in our repentance and our faith and belief. Maybe it is something
like this that they are referring to when He intercedes on our behalf since
it may be difficult for us to present our defense otherwise. After all I am
sure He would wish us to have a fair trial and feel that we have been judged
correctly. Satan is our accuser and it sounds good that we will be
represented by a good lawyer, even the Judge Himself.