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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBecause they have an irrational belief in the existence of a deity that might give a damn.
[b]Why do some soldiers...
Why do some soldiers in war pray for forgiveness, mercy and deliverance in their foxholes...
for that matter, even civilians faced with medical or financial advertsities in everyday life?
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A better question might be " why do you persist in asking such stupid questions?"...
10 Jun 12
Originally posted by googlefudge"Come unto me all of you who are heavy laden (conflicted within your immortal souls) and I will give you rest."
Because they have an irrational belief in the existence of a deity that might give a damn.
A better question might be " why do you persist in asking such stupid questions?"...
One heckuva promise, don't you think? Anybody else other than a supreme deity capable of this promise?
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt's a primal urge embedded in our DNA to look to a god to explain this life. When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall, however stringent our atheism may be it is not surprising that we give it a go, just in case. After all, there is no proof one way or the other about God, simply faith, belief and intellectual rigour. My atheism is an intellectual stance based on science, evolution and common sense. As Richard Dawkins says, there is still the 1% chance that a god exists! Facing certain death I'm sure I might pray for forgiveness, mercy and deliverance.
[b]Why do some soldiers...
Why do some soldiers in war pray for forgiveness, mercy and deliverance in their foxholes...
for that matter, even civilians faced with medical or financial advertsities in everyday life?
.[/b]
10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbya promise is empty unless it can be delivered. many a heavy laden have come to a deity of one sort or another and left still heavy laden, or even more so.
"Come unto me all of you who are heavy laden (conflicted within your immortal souls) and I will give you rest."
One heckuva promise, don't you think? Anybody else other than a supreme deity capable of this promise?
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyTo bad there are no supreme deity's to back up such a promise. And of course a loving supreme deity would give people rest without being asked.
"Come unto me all of you who are heavy laden (conflicted within your immortal souls) and I will give you rest."
One heckuva promise, don't you think? Anybody else other than a supreme deity capable of this promise?
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Interestingly the promise includes a claim (that there exists something called an immortal soul) that can get 'conflicted'. Oddly enough no theist is willing to discuss what this might be.
10 Jun 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritChrist isn't making an appeal to any deity, GB has not cited a reference to any appeal
a promise is empty unless it can be delivered. many a heavy laden have come to a deity of one sort or another and left still heavy laden, or even more so.
to any deity, he is citing a teaching of Jesus Christ, you do understand the difference?
10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Pianoman1Well stated.
It's a primal urge embedded in our DNA to look to a god to explain this life. When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall, however stringent our atheism may be it is not surprising that we give it a go, just in case. After all, there is no proof one way or the other about God, simply faith, belief and intellectual rigour. My atheism is an in ...[text shortened]... god exists! Facing certain death I'm sure I might pray for forgiveness, mercy and deliverance.
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadAs always, I respect your right to an opinion.
To bad there are no supreme deity's to back up such a promise. And of course a loving supreme deity would give people rest without being asked.
Interestingly the promise includes a claim (that there exists something called an immortal soul) that can get 'conflicted'. Oddly enough no theist is willing to discuss what this might be.
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd as always, no theist wants to discuss what exactly a 'soul' is despite it being central to their religion.
As always, I respect your right to an opinion.
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The promise you quoted earlier is an empty promise as it refers to an undefined 'soul'. Unless we know what this 'soul' is that is going to get some rest, then who cares about the promise?
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by Pianoman1
It's a primal urge embedded in our DNA to look to a god to explain this life. When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall, however stringent our atheism may be it is not surprising that we give it a go, just in case. After all, there is no proof one way or the other about God, simply faith, belief and intellectual rigour. My atheism is an in ...[text shortened]... god exists! Facing certain death I'm sure I might pray for forgiveness, mercy and deliverance.
As Richard Dawkins says, there is still the 1% chance that a god exists!
It's not 1%... It's not even close to 1%.
A 1% chance that god exists would be huge compared to the actual maximum possible
chance given the available evidence.
The probability that A god or gods exist is a vanishingly small fraction of 1%.
And that probability is divided up between all possible gods.
So in you moments before certain death...
Who might you pray to?
10 Jun 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeTo whom, then, do the soldiers pray to?
As Richard Dawkins says, there is still the 1% chance that a god exists!
It's not 1%... It's not even close to 1%.
A 1% chance that god exists would be huge compared to the actual maximum possible
chance given the available evidence.
The probability that A god or gods exist is a vanishingly small fraction of 1%.
And that proba ...[text shortened]... n all possible gods.
So in you moments before certain death...
Who might you pray to?
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadAnd what do you and your family care about?
And as always, no theist wants to discuss what exactly a 'soul' is despite it being central to their religion.
The promise you quoted earlier is an empty promise as it refers to an undefined 'soul'. Unless we know what this 'soul' is that is going to get some rest, then who cares about the promise?
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10 Jun 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeand the probability of a simple protein molecule forming at random in an organic soup?As Richard Dawkins says, there is still the 1% chance that a god exists!
It's not 1%... It's not even close to 1%.
A 1% chance that god exists would be huge compared to the actual maximum possible
chance given the available evidence.
The probability that A god or gods exist is a vanishingly small fraction of 1%.
And that prob ...[text shortened]... ween all possible gods.
So in you moments before certain death...
Who might you pray to?
, 1x10^113, larger than the estimated total number of all the atoms in the universe!
Neeeeext!
