Originally posted by SwissGambit
Nonetheless, this particular story was written for people who understood the terms and concepts used; there was nothing foreign about the same.
OK, so again we have the argument that the story was perhaps modified to make it clear to the readership, but there are two objections: 1) How do we know the original terms were communicated and understood ...[text shortened]... our point. The word 'die' is used twice instead of once. How does this change anything?[/b]
1) How do we know the original terms were communicated and understood clearly?
Because there is nothing--- save wild speculation--- to say otherwise. We don't know, for instance, whether or not the man and the woman were visited by UFO's, the pilots of which perhaps gave conflicting information regarding the tree's fruit. Seriously: who's to say?
In your scenario, God simply cannot be trusted. There's no reason for such blasphemy; just your assertion that He cannot.
2) The argument does not address the problem of their lack of experience of death.
Extraordinarily assumptive. According to your own words, only experience can impart "real learning." Was it experience which taught the young Messiah who He was, or was it doctrine? Did it take the cross before He realized that He was, indeed, a member of the Trinity, or did He learn it through what was written?
In contrast to your take on the story, are the facts. Exactly how clear the issue was to the man and the woman can be seen in their choice. They were told by God not to eat of the fruit because they would die. They were told by the serpent that God was afraid they would be as smart at Him. The woman clearly weighed her options and chose the scenario offered by the serpent.
Would she chose differently in hindsight? Apparently, your penchant for experience being the best teacher answers in the affirmative. A better questions would be: do you? Do any of us? If experience is such a great teacher, why do we continue to do things we know are not good?
Writers are capable of forgetting to include details, failing to remember events perfectly, and even outright lying about what happened to deceive or further an agenda.
I can only assume you are lying.
Again, there is no guarantee of this.
There's more for it than against it.
I also pointed out that the story is not specific with respect to the [b]degree of their understanding of the concept.[/b]
And to what degree do you understand death? Other than losing those you know or hearing of the death of those you don't, you certainly know very little about it. Does that mean you don't understand it?
Well, yes, it would be better if the kid never touched the hot stove, but still they do. Only then does the real learning take place.
Well, I guess that makes the Lord Jesus Christ about the most ignorant person who ever walked the globe then.
Sorry, I still don't get your point. The word 'die' is used twice instead of once. How does this change anything?
This gets into the really boring area of exegesis, study and all that mundane stuff that goes with understanding the Bible. No sense bothering yourself with it too much.