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    We are supposed to BELIEVE by FAITH.
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    29 Jun '09 21:50
    Originally posted by daniel58
    We are supposed to BELIEVE by FAITH.
    What about a little reason? Are you advocating blind faith?
    Seems to me if everyone lived as you we'd probably have a more peaceful planet.
    But they don't. God has left us space for free-will.
    I reckon forums like this highlight different aspects of divine nature.
    You cant have a'balnket' statement like 'jesus is god' and leave it there. We are not borgs.
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    What about a little reason? Are you advocating blind faith?
    Seems to me if everyone lived as you we'd probably have a more peaceful planet.
    But they don't. God has left us space for free-will.
    I reckon forums like this highlight different aspects of divine nature.
    You cant have a'balnket' statement like 'jesus is god' and leave it there. We are not borgs.
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    " ... the human mind hates to limit itself to the bounds of divine revelation and to be forced within such narrow confines, for it either longs to wander beyond these well-marked boundaries and to seek and investigate more than is revealed in the Word, or it takes to itself opinions agreeable to reason and then tries to twist and turn also the teachings of Scripture regarding this mystery to confirm to these preconceived notions."

    Martin Chemnitz
  4. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    29 Jun '09 22:24
    Originally posted by jaywill
    [b]============================
    What about a little reason? Are you advocating blind faith?
    Seems to me if everyone lived as you we'd probably have a more peaceful planet.
    But they don't. God has left us space for free-will.
    I reckon forums like this highlight different aspects of divine nature.
    You cant have a'balnket' statement like 'jesus i ...[text shortened]... rding this mystery to confirm to these preconceived notions."

    Martin Chemnitz
    [/b]
    so true mr.jw..
    Still we have to live in this reality, where a 'one size fits all' approach clearly doesn't work with everone.
    There are thinkers, doers , artists, leaders, followers,etc.
    Have you read Brave New World?
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    I didn't say we are supposed to Believe ONLY by Faith, you can back it up with Reason, it makes sense.
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    01 Jul '09 10:531 edit
    Originally posted by daniel58
    I didn't say we are supposed to Believe ONLY by Faith, you can back it up with Reason, it makes sense.
    What!? -no it doesn’t!

    Which comes first? -the ‘faith’ in something or the ‘reasoning’ behind it?
    If there IS rational ‘reasoning’ behind it then it isn’t “faith” and there would be no reason to use ‘faith‘ because there would be rational ‘reasoning’ behind it -right?

    Of course, you may ‘decide’ to believe X because you WANT X to be true and make yourself believe it BECAUSE you WANT X to be true (in which case it is based on ‘faith’ and not ‘reason’ because that is what 'faith' is). Then you may, like so many people, try and logically justify that blind faith by using twisted reasoning (thus NOT real reasoning) to convince yourself (and sometimes others) that it isn’t just based on blind faith but at least in part is based on logical reasoning (which it isn’t).
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    01 Jul '09 11:19
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    so true mr.jw..
    Still we have to live in this reality, where a 'one size fits all' approach clearly doesn't work with everone.
    There are thinkers, doers , artists, leaders, followers,etc.
    Have you read Brave New World?
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    so true mr.jw..
    Still we have to live in this reality, where a 'one size fits all' approach clearly doesn't work with everone.
    There are thinkers, doers , artists, leaders, followers,etc.
    Have you read Brave New World?
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    Karoly,

    As is the case with busy forums, sometimes I lose track of what the thread was about or why I made a certain comment.

    I am a composer myself and I have read Huxley's Brave New World. If the point here is individualism, Anthem by Ann Rand I think goes further than Brave New World as a negative utopia to make the point of preserving the ego.

    Why do you ask?

    What are we discussing anyway here? Why God is a God who hides Himself ?
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    01 Jul '09 11:36
    Originally posted by jaywill
    [b]===================================
    so true mr.jw..
    Still we have to live in this reality, where a 'one size fits all' approach clearly doesn't work with everone.
    There are thinkers, doers , artists, leaders, followers,etc.
    Have you read Brave New World?
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    Karoly,

    As is the case with busy f ...[text shortened]... o you ask?

    What are we discussing anyway here? Why God is a God who hides Himself ?[/b]
  9. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    01 Jul '09 11:41
    Originally posted by jaywill
    [b]===================================
    so true mr.jw..
    Still we have to live in this reality, where a 'one size fits all' approach clearly doesn't work with everone.
    There are thinkers, doers , artists, leaders, followers,etc.
    Have you read Brave New World?
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    Karoly,

    As is the case with busy f ...[text shortened]... o you ask?

    What are we discussing anyway here? Why God is a God who hides Himself ?[/b]
    I guess I liked your earlier point , and wanted to point out that we don't all have the same disposition.
    Anyway I don't think God hides.
    God has revealed herself to me in many different ways.
    I admire your apparent devotion to scriptures and I wish you luck.
    (dont think that I wont engage you again though)
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    GOD IS NOT FEMALE BUT MALE ONLY!!!
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