Originally posted by KellyJayI'll try too.
I'll try.
God shows us all truth.
We take that and run with it.
Some will accept it as is.
Some will reject it as is.
End the end, no one will have an excuse.
Those that want to find God will.
Those that don't care, and don't want to will not.
Those that want something other than God will get what they want.
Those that cannot be bothered won't ...[text shortened]... r terms will be left wanting.
Only someone honestly seeking God will find Him.
Kelly
God shows us all truth.
We cant take it in all at once, only bit by bit.
Some will accept it as it is , but still not understand the depths of "it".
Some will reject it as it is. And rightly so.
End the end, no one will need an excuse in a blameless reality.
Those that want to find God will find it in themselves.
Those that don't care, and don't want to will care about something else.
Those that want something other than God will get a different lesson.
Those that cannot be bothered will be bothered(by God).
Those that like religon but not God will have cheese and not egg.
Those that want a God that serves them instead of them serving God will miss out too.
Those that demand that God meet them on their terms have a point.
Only someone honestly seeking God, bar a lucky accident, will find "him". 🙂
Originally posted by SwissGambitI had forgotten I had started this thread!
Does the person typically [in your opinion] knowingly reject the truth? Or is it more typical that they honestly just don't believe it?
So nobody has yet offered an explanation as to why he is revealed to some people but not to others, or why revealing himself unambiguously to all would be a problem for concepts such as 'free will' or our choice whether or not to obey or worship him. Or why it would be difficult for him to do.
What is so important about wanting him in your life or 'opening your heart' to him? How would you do such a thing honestly and sincerely if you did not already believe in him. It seems that he reveals his presence only to those who already fervently believe in him, which I suspect would be the perception of anyone with such a belief even if that belief was unfounded.
Indeed if you have to believe in him first before his existence will be confirmed to you, then that original belief must be unfounded by definition. This would explain why fervent believers in all religions also believe that the truth of their particular beliefs has been revealed to them.
It all seems to me to be entirely consistent with these beliefs being products of the human mind alone and entirely inconsistent with the actual existence of a real deity.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by SwissGambitI think we ( including myself) can see it and pass by it least we have to act upon
Does the person typically [in your opinion] knowingly reject the truth? Or is it more typical that they honestly just don't believe it?
it honestly. It is easier to come up with excuses than solutions.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIt would have been helpful if you made that clearer from the start.
I think we ( including myself) can see it and pass by it least we have to act upon
it honestly. It is easier to come up with excuses than solutions.
Kelly
I on the other hand believe that I have not 'seen it' and have not consciously or unconsciously made a choice not to act upon it.
But although I disagree with your claim, I agree that it is a reasonable response to the question of the thread. ie you are saying that God has revealed himself to everyone, but some have deliberately (for some strange reason) turned a blind eye to it.
It still leaves the question as to why he could not make it a bit harder for the skeptics to turn that blind eye.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI was trying to say that from the start, I guess I wasn't good at it.
It would have been helpful if you made that clearer from the start.
I on the other hand believe that I have not 'seen it' and have not consciously or unconsciously made a choice not to act upon it.
But although I disagree with your claim, I agree that it is a reasonable response to the question of the thread. ie you are saying that God has revealed hi ...[text shortened]... question as to why he could not make it a bit harder for the skeptics to turn that blind eye.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadI think it is harder on the skeptics, because that is what the skeptics want.
It would have been helpful if you made that clearer from the start.
I on the other hand believe that I have not 'seen it' and have not consciously or unconsciously made a choice not to act upon it.
But although I disagree with your claim, I agree that it is a reasonable response to the question of the thread. ie you are saying that God has revealed hi ...[text shortened]... question as to why he could not make it a bit harder for the skeptics to turn that blind eye.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't think it's genetic, but I don't think it's a choice either. I don't think you could choose the sceptic's path any more than I could choose the believer's.
LOL, we are the same! There isn't a sceptical gene, we have our hearts we apply
ourselves to those things we care about and avoid those things we don't.
Kelly
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatOkay, it isn't genetic, is it spiritual, what? God allows us to make choices, this is
I don't think it's genetic, but I don't think it's a choice either. I don't think you could choose the sceptic's path any more than I could choose the believer's.
a big one!
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIt's just down to who you are. We are each of us the product of our genes and our upbringing - for you, that equals wholehearted belief in christianity, for me, not so much. I guess some people will be borderline, and I expect for these lucky folk there may be an element of choice.
Okay, it isn't genetic, is it spiritual, what? God allows us to make choices, this is
a big one!
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThat doesn't answer the question. If God dropped a bound signed copy of the Bible into every household which was clearly not man made, it would go a long way towards giving the skeptics you describe fewer excuses. I could think of many other ways he could make his existence practically undeniable. As it is, for most of us, the most reasonable explanation given the evidence is that he doesn't exist.
I think it is harder on the skeptics, because that is what the skeptics want.
Kelly
God is the same yesterday today and forever.He does not change.He wishes that you would understand Him,the way a child would understand Him.He reveals Himself to who He chooses.He has proven to me that he exists time and time again.Don't try to understand Him,He is above our understanding,His thoughts are not our thoughts.
Atheists,Why don't you give it a try,Pray to Him ask Him to give you the knowledge.
and Faith and give it say, a month and see if He doesn't reveal Himself to you.Try it.
Originally posted by BrianW68Time to slow down on the hash brownies, Mr. "Herbaholic".
God is the same yesterday today and forever.He does not change.He wishes that you would understand Him,the way a child would understand Him.He reveals Himself to who He chooses.He has proven to me that he exists time and time again.Don't try to understand Him,He is above our understanding,His thoughts are not our thoughts.
Atheists,Why don't you give it ...[text shortened]... edge.
and Faith and give it say, a month and see if He doesn't reveal Himself to you.Try it.
Tell us about the proof that God has provided to you "time and time again".