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    06 Apr '13 05:193 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I lay part of that blame on the creationists, diverting education into frivolous side alleys.
    What is "education?" Isn't it the disseminating of the prevalent viewpoints and conclusions to the students, with the notion of letting them make up their own minds? Or is it instead, the narrow focus on only certain subject matter which is approved of by the non-religious, and the silencing of any other viewpoint so as to indoctrinate students and give them no choice?

    What are you afraid of? You say Christians have an inferiority complex. It sounds like you have one. You don't hear Christians demanding that Evolution not be taught in schools. The Christians merely want their viewpoint heard. On the other hand, it's the devout Atheists who want only their viewpoint taught in schools. That smacks of fear and an inferiority complex, if not being strikingly similar to the opinion of a radical Muslim Imam.

    If Christianity and the bible are so obviously false, then why not teach the folks both sides and let them decide for themselves? Clearly, since the bible is so utterly false, every student will choose your view and reject the bible. Right? So what's the harm.
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    06 Apr '13 06:53
    Originally posted by sumydid
    What [b]is "education?" Isn't it the disseminating of the prevalent viewpoints and conclusions to the students, with the notion of letting them make up their own minds? Or is it instead, the narrow focus on only certain subject matter which is approved of by the non-religious, and the silencing of any other viewpoint so as to indoctrinate studen ...[text shortened]... se, every student will choose your view and reject the bible. Right? So what's the harm.[/b]
    "Or is it instead, the narrow focus on only certain subject matter which is approved of by the non-religious, and the silencing of any other viewpoint so as to indoctrinate students and give them no choice?"

    The above sounds like a communist dictatorship form of government too me.
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    06 Apr '13 07:33
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Creationist young earthers won't use their minds because they have an extreme deep seated inferiority complex due to the incessant brainwashing and how they are told for instance, of original sin, and such and how their alleged god is omniscient and so forth and they get it into their heads they fail miserably in comparison to this alleged god.

    They set ...[text shortened]... out of hand ALL evidence refuting the biblical fairy tale of how the Earth and humans got here.
    Obtuse.

    Especially your use of syntax.
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    06 Apr '13 21:54
    Originally posted by josephw
    Obtuse.

    Especially your use of syntax.
    You on the other hand would like to change that to sin tax.
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    06 Apr '13 21:581 edit
    Originally posted by sumydid
    What [b]is "education?" Isn't it the disseminating of the prevalent viewpoints and conclusions to the students, with the notion of letting them make up their own minds? Or is it instead, the narrow focus on only certain subject matter which is approved of by the non-religious, and the silencing of any other viewpoint so as to indoctrinate studen se, every student will choose your view and reject the bible. Right? So what's the harm.[/b]
    No, education is teaching students how to think for themselves and do experiments that show how the world is constructed. If kids are 'educated' by just spouting the latest scientific dogma, all they know is dogma and don't learn to think for themselves. That is not the point of education. Education means thinking for ones self not spouting page after page of 100 year old science texts. Education is learning to think outside the box, come up with something new not re-puking old knowledge so you can get a 4.0. That is High School education. University education, the REAL education is all about learning to think.

    Learning to think for yourself is what separates bible thumpers from real people.
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    06 Apr '13 22:22
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    No, education is teaching students how to think for themselves and do experiments that show how the world is constructed. If kids are 'educated' by just spouting the latest scientific dogma, all they know is dogma and don't learn to think for themselves. That is not the point of education. Education means thinking for ones self not spouting page after page ...[text shortened]... o think.

    Learning to think for yourself is what separates bible thumpers from real people.
    Learning to think for oneself is what creation science is all about. It is the study of science in view of what is revealed in the Holy Bible. Creation scientists do not leave God out of the explanation of the universe. They do experiments to show how God did it as revealed in the Holy Bible.

    The main difference between evilutionary scientists and creation scientists is that hypothesis are made from different worldviews. There is no real difference in the science. The difference is in the goal and interpretation of the experiments.
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    06 Apr '13 22:55
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Learning to think for oneself is what creation science is all about. It is the study of science in view of what is revealed in the Holy Bible. Creation scientists do not leave God out of the explanation of the universe. They do experiments to show how God did it as revealed in the Holy Bible.

    The main difference between evilutionary scientists and crea ...[text shortened]... difference in the science. The difference is in the goal and interpretation of the experiments.
    Just a quick question RJ,as your bible tells you exactly what happened during creation, what does a creation scientist actually do?
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    06 Apr '13 23:38
    Originally posted by sumydid

    If Christianity and the bible are so obviously false, then why not teach the folks both sides and let them decide for themselves? Clearly, since the bible is so utterly false, every student will choose your view and reject the bible. Right? So what's the harm.
    If you teach Christian creation myths why stop there?
    How would you decide which creation myths to teach?

    Are native American creation myths to be taught?
    Maori creation myths?

    How does one choose?
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    06 Apr '13 23:41
    Originally posted by sumydid
    You don't hear Christians demanding that Evolution not be taught in schools.
    On a vacation trip by car through Nevada a few years back, I picked up a Christian radio program on which Noah Hutchings was calling for exactly that.

    Are you familiar with Jack Chick tracts?
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    07 Apr '13 01:08
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Just a quick question RJ,as your bible tells you exactly what happened during creation, what does a creation scientist actually do?
    The Holy Bible does not tell exatly how God created everything and it only gives an outline of the creation week. The creation scientist takes that outline and tries to fill in the blanks. That outline prevents the creation scientists from making the same mistakes that the evilutionists are making with their wrong assumptions.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/docs/creation_scientist.asp
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    07 Apr '13 01:18
    Originally posted by Paul Dirac II
    On a vacation trip by car through Nevada a few years back, I picked up a Christian radio program on which Noah Hutchings was calling for exactly that.

    Are you familiar with Jack Chick tracts?
    Perhaps he just wants to stop the teaching of lies to the students in in our schools.

    YouTube
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    07 Apr '13 06:58
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Perhaps he just wants to stop the teaching of lies to the students in in our schools.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8GgrUposII
    The relic shows its head again.
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    07 Apr '13 07:00
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The Holy Bible does not tell exatly how God created everything and it only gives an outline of the creation week. The creation scientist takes that outline and tries to fill in the blanks. That outline prevents the creation scientists from making the same mistakes that the evilutionists are making with their wrong assumptions.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/docs/creation_scientist.asp
    Ah yes, an oxymoron, Creationist scientist.
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    07 Apr '13 07:01
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It shows that we use our own minds in determining the truth. 😏
    No, what is shows is you using your deluded mind what other people have told you.

    There is a big difference.
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    07 Apr '13 09:57
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    No, what is shows is you using your deluded mind what other people have told you.

    There is a big difference.
    You did not discover everything on your own either, other people told you about the theory of relativity, etc. The big difference is who and what we choose to believe.
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