Without faith it is impossible to please God ..

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
But you have to be wrong. As you have explained yourself, we only know a billionth of what there is to know. How could you possibly be right?

All in need to know is the location of one spec of gold in China to know that there is Gold in China.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
According to FetchMyCoat we only know a billionth of what there is to know, meaning the odds of him being right are one in a billion.

Those odds are pretty bad by anyone's standards.

The odds of me know everything there is to know are one in a billion. But I don't have to know everything to know something does exist.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All in need to know is the location of one spec of gold in China to know that there is Gold in China.

That's weak.

Try again.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All in need to know is the location of one spec of gold in China to know that there is Gold in China.

China is the biggest producer of gold in the world.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
According to FetchMyCoat we only know a billionth of what there is to know, meaning the odds of him being right are one in a billion.

Those odds are pretty bad by anyone's standards.

I don't think he wants any of his gimmicky arguments turned on himself.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All in need to know is the location of one spec of gold in China to know that there is Gold in China.

OK, so let's say for the sake of argument that [1] there may be no gold in China or [2] there may be one speck of gold in China. If you believe you will one day find that one speck of gold there, this entitles you to claim you "know" there is gold there? Is that what your analogy means?

Originally posted by FMF
OK, so let's say for the sake of argument that [1] there may be no gold in China or [2] there may be one speck of gold in China. If you believe you will one day find that one speck of gold there, this entitles you to claim you "know" there is gold there? Is that what your analogy means?

1. Is it humanly possible to possess enough knowledge to claim with certainty that Gold exists in China? Yes.
2. Is it humanly possible to possess enough knowledge to claim with certainty that there is no Gold in China? No.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
1. Is it humanly possible to possess enough knowledge to claim with certainty that Gold exists in China? Yes.
2. Is it humanly possible to possess enough knowledge to claim with certainty that there is no Gold in China? No.

So, it's "humanly possible" to claim "that Gold exists in China" (because there might be a speck, according to your analogy) therefore it is also "humanly possible" to claim that God [as you describe Him exists] because he might do. Is that what you mean?

Originally posted by FMF
So, it's "humanly possible" to claim "that Gold exists in China" (because there might be a speck, according to your analogy) therefore it is also "humanly possible" to claim that God [as you describe Him exists] because he might do. Is that what you mean?

Basically to say that you know there is no evidence for the existence of God is not humanly possible since you only don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know and there may well be evidence for the existence of God, that you are not aware of. However to say there is evidence for the existence of God doesn't require you to know everything.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Basically to say that you know there is no evidence for the existence of God is not humanly possible since you only don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know and there may well be evidence for the existence of God, that you are not aware of. However to say there is evidence for the existence of God doesn't require you to know everything.

OK I see, well this doesn't apply to me. But it does seem very trite if you don't mind me saying. Do you hope it will make Ghost of a Duke admit that you're right about God?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Basically to say that you know there is no evidence for the existence of God is not humanly possible since you only don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know and there may well be evidence for the existence of God, that you are not aware of. However to say there is evidence for the existence of God doesn't require you to know everything.

Since you don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know, might there be evidence for the existence of a God that is completely different from the one you believe in? Or is it "not humanly possible" for you to know that?

Originally posted by FMF
OK I see, well this doesn't apply to me. But it does seem very trite if you don't mind me saying. Do you hope it will make Ghost of a Duke admit that you're right about God?

No, but maybe it will make him think twice before he claims to know that God does not exist.

Originally posted by FMF
Since you don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know, might there be evidence for the existence of a God that is completely different from the one you believe in? Or is it "not humanly possible" for you to know that?

I can only deal with that which I am aware of. If you have evidence of a different God that you think is more compelling that the one I believe in, feel free to share it, I am all ears.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I can only deal with that which I am aware of. If you have evidence of a different God that you think is more compelling that the one I believe in, feel free to share it, I am all ears.

But what is the point if you admit you don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know and you don't even know your god exists?

Originally posted by FMF
But what is the point if you admit you don't even know one billionth of everything there is to know and you don't even know your god exists?

I am convinced He exists.