Originally posted by Rajk999
Is the mantra of some Christians [particularly sonship and josephw] who quote this to support their faith only doctrine.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
That is not a mantra. That is a verse in the New Testament which you seem to have contempt for.
Is God interested in faith alone Christians? If you read around this passage, both before and after Heb 11, Paul explains the full picture.
By all means, the whole chapter should be taken in.
Faith is the starting point for the professed believer in Christ.
So now you are saying pretty much what I have been saying for a long time.
We Christians should have faith to take Christ as our everything.
You know He makes His home in man's heart through faith.
That is an on going making of His home. That is a moving more and more in and more and more settling down.
Did you think Paul only mean for just being justified ?
I didn't think that.
"That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, ... " (Eph. 3:17a)
I still, after many years need Jesus Christ to make His home in EVERY
part of my psychological heart. And I need Him to move in more and more ... "by faith"
Faith is a means to an end,
According to Ephesians 3:17
the end includes Christ making His home in our hearts.
But we should go on to see what else entails the "end" goal of faith.
"That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be full of strength to apprehend with all the saints what the breadth and length and height and depth are and to know the knowledge surpassing love of Christ,
that you may be filled unto all the fullness of God.( vs.17-19)
Faith in Christ's end is that a collective living vessel may be filled unto all the fullness of God. And along the way the vast dimensions of the love of Christ, in their infinite directions, may be apprehended in an atmosphere of love with strength to grasp such.
Faith in Christ is for the dispensing of Christ into man.
Faith in Christ making His home in our hearts is for the eternal purpose of God dispensing His fullness into those saved that they may be corporate expression of God in man.
And Paul says that He is able to do this far in abundance to all that the Christians could ask or think. For the next verse says -
" ... that you may be filled unto all the fullness of God. But to Him who is able to do superabundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power which operates in us,
To Him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all the generations forever and ever. Amen." (vs.30,32)
By all means read the whole chapter of Hebrews 11
. In fact the whole book puts things in the big picture. God is building up a house of God for God to live in man and man in God.
"But Christ was faithful as a Son over His house, whose house we are if indeed we hold fast the boldness and the boast of hope firm to the end." (Heb. 3:6)
I just talk a lot about the big picture. A vision of the big picture has done very much to enrich my living unto God and obeying the commandments of Christ within.