Originally posted by karoly aczel Thow rice at a wedding!! Lol! Thats king!!
Well done rajk. thats a great list. I'm waiting for some refutations.
Cause if you can attend a wedding and drink alcohol but not throw rice, in my way of thinking, thats nuts.
if you understood the origins of a practice then perhaps you also might like to try to engage the cognitive process and try to discern why a Christian might find a practice objectionable, as it is, you seem merely to be content to take in the tabloid nature of the claims? a failure to understand anothers position, even if we do not agree with it ourselves, is well, the story of religion so far and leads to the kind of unadulterated prejudice and ignorance of which the opening poster specialises in, and which you seem content to drink up. Is your life also so empty that you need to stalk and single out another religion and make fun of its practices?
Originally posted by Rajk999 I answered your question.
Did you answer mine?
My salvation is based upon the grace of Christ and his sacrifice for my sins and my faith in that grace. In short, salvation has already been achieved outside myself, all I have to do is accept it. There is nothing I can do to "earn" it. With all other religions, getting into heaven comes down to weighing ones "good" works with their "bad" works. It is only with Christianity that one may enter therein having commited more "bad" works than "good" works.
Originally posted by whodey My salvation is based upon the grace of Christ and his sacrifice for my sins and my faith in that grace. In short, salvation has already been achieved outside myself, all I have to do is accept it. There is nothing I can do to "earn" it. With all other religions, getting into heaven comes down to weighing ones "good" works with their "bad" works. It is on ...[text shortened]... tianity that one may enter therein having commited more "bad" works than "good" works.
So ... did you answer my question?
I answered yours.
Maybe you cant. I just asked for a Do List or Do Not List.
But forget it. I know you are a 'once saved, always saved' person.
So you Do List is :
1. Profess your faith in Christ with your mouth and then sit and wait.
Well, one of the good things about the JWs is that they are smart enough to realise that Christ taught that good works is an essential part of working towards salvation. They dont sit on their behinds and wait around for Christ to return. That quality alone is the one thing that Christ is looking for in a believer. If you cant see that then you are lost.
Originally posted by Rajk999 141 Things that JWs are not allowed to do. Would be nice if the JWs on the site can verify these.
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing and friendship with 'worldly' people (Christian or not) who are not Jehovah's Witnesses. (Belonging to a professional association is allowed to the extent that it is required for employme ...[text shortened]... except for limited exceptions ).
How is this stuff different from bible verses like this one:
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
-1 Cor 5:11
This is equally kooky-sounding to me. From my former experience in the church, no one followed this command. If Christians can take a pass on following certain inconvenient commands in the Bible at their discretion, then JW's can do the same with the list you quoted.
Originally posted by SwissGambit How is this stuff different from bible verses like this one:
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
-1 Cor 5:11
This is equally kooky-sounding to me. From my former ...[text shortened]... commands in the Bible at their discretion, then JW's can do the same with the list you quoted.
There is a difference between a command and a guideline in the New Testament.
Commands are those which must be followed otherwise your salvation might be in jeapordy. They are mostly easy to spot. Guidelines are suggestions made usually by Paul for the conduct of the early church. Some (but not all) of these guidelines are still followed today by some churches.
The one you quoted is a guideline and its up to your individual judgment or preference whether or not you adhere to it. In the case of the JWs, not following their guidelines can lead to you being disfellowshipped.
Originally posted by Rajk999 135.Tell the truth to people who don't need to know or are 'not entitled to it'. See Theocratic Warfare.
136.Tell the truth in court if it damages the interests of the brotherhood or harms a Witness in good standing. This is a matter of conscience and unspoken for obvious reasons. Jehovah's Witnesses want to be honest but the pressure is strong to protect t ...[text shortened]... er rules.
Originally posted by Rajk999 There is a difference between a command and a guideline in the New Testament.
Commands are those which must be followed otherwise your salvation might be in jeapordy. They are mostly easy to spot. Guidelines are suggestions made usually by Paul for the conduct of the early church. Some (but not all) of these guidelines are still followed today by some churc ...[text shortened]... . In the case of the JWs, not following their guidelines can lead to you being disfellowshipped.
I thought it was interesting that the guideline mandates something very similar to disfellowship. How are Christians who follow this guideline different from JWs?
Originally posted by SwissGambit I thought it was interesting that the guideline mandates something very similar to disfellowship. How are Christians who follow this guideline different from JWs?
They would be very similar in my opinion. I for one know of no Christians who follow that particular guideline. Do you? Im sure there are though.
Also the list of restrictions that the typical JW lives under are far in excess of what was recommended by Paul.
Originally posted by wolfgang59 1. The JW baiting seems to have gone a bit too far. It's a religion, respect the right of people to follow that religion as daft as it may be.
2. The opening post is too broad for any serious discussion. Seems like 142 threads needed!
3. Remember the GOLDEN RULE. The only thing common to all religions. (Or so I am told)
The JWs hold themselves out to be morally and spiritually superior to other Christians. Thats the reason for threads like these.