18 Jan 10
Originally posted by josephwone must first try to ascertain what the will of God is, otherwise how can you do it?
I'm not asking you to TELL me.
I'm asking you to tell me what you believe is the first thing one needs to do in order to do the will of God.
What's the matter robbie? I answered your challenge to state what the will of God is by saying it is to believe in His Son.
Look. "God's will" is a broad subject. There's no way to have a meaningful discussio ...[text shortened]... urious about what you think one needs to do [b]first to begin to do the will of God.[/b]
18 Jan 10
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Originally posted by josephwyou must know what it is, therefore the first thing you must do is study and research.
The will of God is revealed in His Word.
That means God's Word is the final authority.
But again, what is the first thing one must do, to do the will of God?
18 Jan 10
Originally posted by Rajk999The main thing I've heard about the JW's that I did not like is that they shunned members of their own family. And yet, it does not seem like every JW does this. IIRC, one of the two prominent ones here has a wife who is of another faith.
They would be very similar in my opinion. I for one know of no Christians who follow that particular guideline. Do you? Im sure there are though.
Also the list of restrictions that the typical JW lives under are far in excess of what was recommended by Paul.
Could it be possible that not all JWs blindly go along with every single command on your quoted list, but rather decide what to follow based on their own conscience?
19 Jan 10
Originally posted by SwissGambitNot only is it possible that many JWs ignore some of the guidelines laid down by the leaders of their organisation, its even likely that it is so. But they risk disfellowshipping. The point of all this is that the restrictions imposed by the guidelines are far in excess of what is recommended in the Bible.
The main thing I've heard about the JW's that I did not like is that they shunned members of their own family. And yet, it does not seem like every JW does this. IIRC, one of the two prominent ones here has a wife who is of another faith.
Could it be possible that not all JWs blindly go along with every single command on your quoted list, but rather decide what to follow based on their own conscience?
19 Jan 10
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Originally posted by Rajk999people get disfellowshiped for wrong conduct, not holding a different conscience, what a muppet you really are proving to be. An expert on Jehovahs witnesses all of a sudden, yet he cannot even tell who appointed him judge over the consciences of others, I wonder why? nor is his apostate list accurate haha, what a swamp gator!
Not only is it possible that many JWs ignore some of the guidelines laid down by the leaders of their organisation, its even likely that it is so. But they risk disfellowshipping. The point of all this is that the restrictions imposed by the guidelines are far in excess of what is recommended in the Bible.
19 Jan 10
Originally posted by Rajk999What's the real point? That JWs have more restrictions? After all, the Bible has little gems like:
Not only is it possible that many JWs ignore some of the guidelines laid down by the leaders of their organisation, its even likely that it is so. But they risk disfellowshipping. The point of all this is that the restrictions imposed by the guidelines are far in excess of what is recommended in the Bible.
"Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."that rate equally high on the ridiculousness scale.
19 Jan 10
Originally posted by SwissGambitmaybe some resemblence to Islam as well?
What's the real point? That JWs have more restrictions? After all, the Bible has little gems like:"Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."that rate equally high on the ridiculousness scale.
(Of course these are well trodden arguements for many but SwissGambit brings up a good point)
19 Jan 10
Originally posted by Rajk999If this kind of list is defended by this thread's known JW culters, then this is a reason to be warned about them. Don't ever seek for membership in this cult. If you're in, you will never get out. You'll lose your thinking abilities, you'll follow your leader and master, even if he does wrong. And worse, you defend him all the way. You're programmed.
Not only is it possible that many JWs ignore some of the guidelines laid down by the leaders of their organisation, its even likely that it is so. But they risk disfellowshipping. The point of all this is that the restrictions imposed by the guidelines are far in excess of what is recommended in the Bible.
It's really a sad thing. People who read the thread might think that this is rules for any christian and any christian community in general. It's not. If this is what JW lives by, then they cannot be sound christians. But that's what signify culters. They say "Only we are christians, real christians. Those who not live like we do aren't real christians. That's only one way, and that's our way."
If JW is real christians, then I don't want to be christian, never, ever.
But they aren't. Christians in general (not the fundamentalist ones of course) are loving and caring, they are not judgemental to others, and the seems to be happy. Culters seem to be very unhappy, tragic, fearsome of doing right or wrong, in order to reach their 'nirvana'.
21 Jan 10
Originally posted by FabianFnasYoure right. Although all Christianity does involve some kind of indoctrination, it is far less severe in most other sects. If Christ wanted people to live like the typical JW those do's and dont's would be made clearer in the Bible.
If this kind of list is defended by this thread's known JW culters, then this is a reason to be warned about them. Don't ever seek for membership in this cult. If you're in, you will never get out. You'll lose your thinking abilities, you'll follow your leader and master, even if he does wrong. And worse, you defend him all the way. You're programmed.
...[text shortened]... , tragic, fearsome of doing right or wrong, in order to reach their 'nirvana'.