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Originally posted by sonhouse
A program cannot make a physical device. Only a program plus a 3D printer can do that. What I think you mean is something like a virus,bacteria or something that reproduces itself. That is where the information, readout and physical interface are all in the same device. That has yet to be done. There is also the idea of reproducing yourself but on a smaller ...[text shortened]... nches across, the reproduction would be 5 or something, and that one goes on to make a 2.5, etc.
No I did not say the program alone. I said the program with a machine
that would allow the reproduction of the machine.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I said a program that would allow a Machine to reproduce itself. I was
not referring to a loop program.
A virus is not a 'loop program'. And I have already pointed out that I am not a robotics engineer.

The point is that it would give you something more constructive to do with your time and on top
of that it could make you very wealthy.

And I can think of plenty of things that would give you something more constructive to do with your time. But if you just wanted to tell me to stop wasting my time on this site, why didn't you just come out and say so, instead of suggesting a task that I have no hope of accomplishing? Surely there was more to your post than that?

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Originally posted by twhitehead
A virus is not a 'loop program'. And I have already pointed out that I am not a robotics engineer.

[b]The point is that it would give you something more constructive to do with your time and on top
of that it could make you very wealthy.

And I can think of plenty of things that would give you something more constructive to do with your time. But ...[text shortened]... ng a task that I have no hope of accomplishing? Surely there was more to your post than that?[/b]
I am 67 years old and retired now. So I'm content to waste the rest of my
life serving the lord, if allowed.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
God created the first animals just like He created the first man. Then
He commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. Very smart of Him.
For then He could rest while the earth was filled.
For then He could rest while the earth was filled
Rest is a very strange concept for an entity that is "outside time".


"Rest" surely requires the absence of effort over a period of time.

Both "effort" and "time" being meaningless to your god makes rest a doubtful concept to him and certainly unattainable and/or meaningless.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I am 67 years old and retired now. So I'm content to waste the rest of my
life serving the lord, if allowed.
And how I choose to waste my time is also none of your business. So, I suspect that you had another point to make, realised it was stupid and instead of admitting your error have decided to pretend that the whole point was to tell me to stop wasting my time talking to you.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
Well I am yet to see convincing evidence, and apparently God chose to withhold the give from me. So you may try to present convincing evidence, but if you criticize me for lack of faith, then you only have your God to blame.
Mr Whitehead,
May I suggest to you the following....

If you only after "seeing" convincing evidence, then you will "believe"

then that is not "faith".

Faith is according to me believing/hoping in something that you cannot "see".

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Originally posted by shahenshah
Mr Whitehead,
May I suggest to you the following....

If you only after "seeing" convincing evidence, then you will "believe"

then that is not "faith".

Faith is according to me believing/hoping in something that you cannot "see".
I do not dispute that, nor have I claimed otherwise.

I personally however, do not happen to have 'faith' in God. I feel no motivation to believe in God without evidence. Since RJHinds tells me his faith was a gift from God, I can only assume that God chose not to give me that gift.

Yet strangely enough, Christians tell me, that I will be punished because of my lack of faith, whereas they will get off scot free.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
For then He could rest while the earth was filled
Rest is a very strange concept for an entity that is "outside time".


"Rest" surely requires the absence of effort over a period of time.

Both "effort" and "time" being meaningless to your god makes rest a doubtful concept to him and certainly unattainable and/or meaningless.
The term is used for man's understanding, not God's. God, of course, needs
no rest; but we do. So God's rest is an example for man.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
And how I choose to waste my time is also none of your business. So, I suspect that you had another point to make, realised it was stupid and instead of admitting your error have decided to pretend that the whole point was to tell me to stop wasting my time talking to you.
Yes, you are correct. You must be taking smart pills. The main point was
to get you to realize your need for the Savior, since you can not save
yourself anymore than you could make that program.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
I do not dispute that, nor have I claimed otherwise.

I personally however, do not happen to have 'faith' in God. I feel no motivation to believe in God without evidence. Since RJHinds tells me his faith was a gift from God, I can only assume that God chose not to give me that gift.

Yet strangely enough, Christians tell me, that I will be punished because of my lack of faith, whereas they will get off scot free.
God will give you that gift if you will open up your heart to receive it.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, you are correct. You must be taking smart pills. The main point was
to get you to realize your need for the Savior, since you can not save
yourself anymore than you could make that program.
OK. And you realised it was a stupid point then tried to avoid admitting it? OK.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
God will give you that gift if you will open up your heart to receive it.
But I cant open my heart until I have the gift. Its a catch 22 situation.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
OK. And you realised it was a stupid point then tried to avoid admitting it? OK.
If you become saved, it will not matter if it is a stupid point or not?

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Originally posted by twhitehead
But I cant open my heart until I have the gift. Its a catch 22 situation.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
But I cant open my heart until I have the gift. Its a catch 22 situation.
Relax. You can do it. Just start with a little praying to God in the name
of Jesus. Then say a few HalleluYahs. Listen to some Christian praise
music. Then you can study the Holy Bible.