Originally posted by chaney3Let me ask you this question.
Well, I personally don't see anyone going to hell. I recently posted in another thread that the sacrifice of Jesus was too great for that.
God may judge us, and we may have our own personal price to pay.....depending on the severity of sin....but not hell.
What is hell?
Originally posted by FabianFnasWhy did you start that religion vs spirituality thread in Science ?
Thank you, thank you! (*receiving applauses*)
No, actually, I don't have much to learn about spirituality by spiritualists. I prefer more reliable sources.
you wanted to get the scientific minds to answer instead of the 'spiritualists'?
BTW I don't know how much of a spiritualist chaney3 is. You may be giving him more credit than is due.
-Removed-Nowhere did he say that he believed in your 'special pet-peeve "eternal torment" hell'. In fact, if you actually read his post without your 'auto-sneer' turned on, it appears that he does not.
I (kind of) understand your need to 'shout down' everyone who even appears to you to disagree with you, but maybe you could save it for those who actually disagree with you.
Or, you know, not. Your choice (which just happens to be his point, that you just ran over with a truck).
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Originally posted by karoly aczelHe probably wanted to get opinions without all the personality-driven acrimony which drives this forum lately.
Why did you start that religion vs spirituality thread in Science ?
you wanted to get the scientific minds to answer instead of the 'spiritualists'?
BTW I don't know how much of a spiritualist chaney3 is. You may be giving him more credit than is due.
Edit: I see that he actually got some of that over there, too, it just took longer than it happens here.
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Originally posted by leunammiI am theorizing that there is no hell. The sacrifice of Jesus saves us all.
Let me ask you this question.
What is hell?
God however, will judge us according to how we have lived our lives, and there 'could' be a way for us to redeem ourselves. All of this, in a system designed to have all of mankind reach Heaven.
It doesn't make sense that the crucifixion would only 'cover' a select few.
Edit: redemption after we die.
Originally posted by leunammiThis is what is called a narrow Christian view. What about those who never heard about Jesus or God for that matter?
Firstly and most importantly, Jesus is not going to send anyone to hell, it is us, ourselves that make that determination by how we choose to live in this life. God is going to deal with sin, and if we are in sin... we go along for the ride so to speak. It's our choice.
Much in the same way if we put our hand of our own volition into a flame we will ...[text shortened]... t you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter."
Hope that answers your question.
Originally posted by chaney3Who said the crucifixion only covered a select few? John 3:16
I am theorizing that there is no hell. The sacrifice of Jesus saves us all.
God however, will judge us according to how we have lived our lives, and there 'could' be a way for us to redeem ourselves. All of this, in a system designed to have all of mankind reach Heaven.
It doesn't make sense that the crucifixion would only 'cover' a select few.
Edit: redemption after we die.
It was for all.
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Originally posted by Rajk999My post implies nothing about eternal suffering, perhaps you go back and read again if you did at all.
Your post implies thst those who do not know Jesus Christ can face eternal suffering... plus you further state that it is by their choice.
Is that what you are saying. If not please be clear.
As far as those that do not know Christ, that will be up to him to judge not me, i do not know.