Your Moral Compass

Originally posted by FMF
Animals and children cannot give informed consent so they are irrelevant to a discussion about legalizing homosexuality. No one would curtail your freedom by "forcing" you be a homosexual. No one would curtail your freedom to be a heterosexual. But making homosexuality illegal curtails other people's freedom. The existence of homosexuals who do not fear legal sanctions is not a curtailment of your freedom.

There will always be an excuse.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
You want laws to protect you from being exposed to things you don't like?

What freedom of yours is "curtailed" when homosexuals lead their lives as they want to?

People do it here all the time, they dislike religion in the public so they file
law suits. It is one side or the other, pick a side you will defend it over the
side you disagree with.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
There will always be an excuse.

You have completely dodged the question.

Originally posted by KellyJay
People do it here all the time, they dislike religion in the public so they file
law suits. It is one side or the other, pick a side you will defend it over the
side you disagree with.

Public profession of religion is illegal in the U.S.?

Originally posted by FMF
Explain how the legalization of homosexuality "forces [you] to not be able to do something"?

What concept of freedom is it you have if whatever other people do or are must be "accepted" by you?

You are missing the point, for this discussion I DO NOT CARE one wit about
what people do with their lives. My points have all been that we are always picking
sides, we are always putting one side up over another. You right now want me to
defend a side. As soon as we start down the path people who like and dislike some
activity will be at odds. You can justify your point of view as some of them can so
we have winners and losers. The winners are they always the moral correct ones?
Do they claim victory because they can force thier points of view over one who
objects? When it is just people foring their views over another or pushing their
views over another it is the 'other' that suffers. Yet, it seems that some where
some how, some people have that right and power and its okay?
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Public profession of religion is illegal in the U.S.?

Its getting there.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Its getting there.
Kelly

So it's not illegal then?

Originally posted by FMF
Animals and children cannot give informed consent so they are irrelevant to a discussion about legalizing homosexuality. No one would curtail your freedom by "forcing" you be a homosexual. No one would curtail your freedom to be a heterosexual. But making homosexuality illegal curtails other people's freedom. The existence of homosexuals who do not fear legal sanctions is not a curtailment of your freedom.

I'm not to jusify either of those acts, the point I made was that some people do
them and how you and I both view why they are wrong is meaningless to them.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are missing the point, for this discussion I DO NOT CARE one wit about
what people do with their lives.

No I am not. My discussion with you was initiated with this:

Let's take homosexuality for example.

If person A takes the stance that it should be illegal (and this view prevails), then homosexual B's freedom is curtailed.

If B's homosexuality is not illegal, A's freedom is not curtailed.

Can you see how the concept of "discrimination" is in play in this situation?

Can you not see how making homosexuality curtails people's freedom, but making it legal does not curtail your freedom?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm not to jusify either of those acts, the point I made was that some people do
them and how you and I both view why they are wrong is meaningless to them.
Kelly

Bestiality and child rape have nothing to do with homosexuality, for the reason I gave.

Originally posted by FMF
No I am not. My discussion with you was initiated with this:

[b]Let's take homosexuality for example.

If person A takes the stance that it should be illegal (and this view prevails), then homosexual B's freedom is curtailed.

If B's homosexuality is not illegal, A's freedom is not curtailed.

Can you see how the concept of "discrimination" is in pla ...[text shortened]... mosexuality curtails people's freedom, but making it legal does not curtail your freedom?

I don't care about your views on if homosexuality are good or bad!
The topic isn't one I am going to entertain, if you want to talk about why you
like the fact you can be a homosexual do it with someone else.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
When it is just people forcing their views over another or pushing their
views over another it is the 'other' that suffers.

How would your freedom "suffer" if homosexuals were no longer institutionally discriminated against?

Originally posted by FMF
Bestiality and child rape have nothing to do with homosexuality, for the reason I gave.

You missed the discussion completely, we are done.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You missed the discussion completely, we are done.

You raised bestiality and child rape, not me. You raised them because I mentioned homosexuality.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't care about your views on if homosexuality are good or bad!
The topic isn't one I am going to entertain, if you want to talk about why you
like the fact you can be a homosexual do it with someone else.

What are being discussed here are discrimination and freedom. You said that homosexuality is an abomination to the one that is against it, being forced to be exposed to it will without a doubt lower their standard of life. How can you being "exposed" to it be framed as a curtailment of your freedom?

I don't care about your views on if homosexuality are good or bad!

The point is, if I were to see homosexuality as "bad", that's all well and good, but I shouldn't be able to curtail the freedom of homosexuals.