Your Purpose in Life

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So I ask you this, if I were to show you one how would you even recognise it to be perfect?

I will know it when I see it, I suppose. How did you 'recognize' ~ and come to "know" ~ that your notion of "justice" - i.e. the one that you happen to believe in - was "perfect"?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But without an objective criteria you still cannot truly say that one is better than the other. All you have is your subjective opinion.

It will have to do.

Originally posted by FMF
Aren't your superstitions merely subjective opinions? What "objective criteria" do you think you are presenting here?

If the Bible is in fact God's true revelation to mankind, which I assume it is, then 'Devine justice' as portrayed in the Bible is objectively true regardless of what anyone may think about it.

Originally posted by FMF
You seem to have no objection to offering nothing but "your subjective opinion". Claiming that it's based on "objective criteria" doesn't really work. Not when you are describing definition-bending notions of justice that you claim are meted out to us by a supernatural being. Which parts of your elaborate superstitions and your credulous subscription to ancient mythology are you insisting are - somehow - the "objective" bits?

The Bible is based on the premise of universal truth, which is the objective criteria.

Originally posted by FMF
If you show me one, and it seems "perfect", I will readily acknowledge it as such.

But what seems perfect to someone else may not seem perfect to you.

Originally posted by FMF
I will know it when I see it, I suppose. How did you 'recognize' ~ and come to "know" ~ that your notion of "justice" - i.e. the one that you happen to believe in - was "perfect"?

I believe in a perfect God. The rest follows logically from that belief.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The Bible is based on the premise of universal truth, which is the objective criteria.

How is it "objective"? It's just your personal opinion. Deciding the word "universal" on it doesn't add any weight or persuasiveness to it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe in a perfect God. The rest follows logically from that belief.

What evidence do you have to justify calling this supernatural figure - and the notions you have that are based on it - "perfect"?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The Bible is based on the premise of universal truth, which is the objective criteria.

You are using three words: universal, objective, and perfect, that seem somewhat fuzzy in the context you are using them.

Here are definitions found by search. I don't argue for them, but want to know if they are in line with your thinking.

universal -- of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.

objective -- (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts

perfect -- having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.

I'll throw in another just in case it comes up:

absolute -- viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.

So do these definitions work for you in looking at your "The Bible is based on the premise of universal truth, which is the objective criteria"?

Could you cite a specific Bible passage that meets the criteria of being universal and objective?

Originally posted by FMF
How is it "objective"? It's just your personal opinion. Deciding the word "universal" on it doesn't add any weight or persuasiveness to it.

It is true regardless of what my opinion is.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
It is true regardless of what my opinion is.

But "It is true regardless of what my opinion is" is simply your opinion, too.

Originally posted by FMF
What evidence do you have to justify calling this supernatural figure - and the notions you have that are based on it - "perfect"?

The same evidence that you used to believe in when you were a Christian, that over time you realised you didn't believe, but somehow did not choose to wilfully reject.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The same evidence that you used to believe in when you were a Christian, that over time you realised you didn't believe, but somehow did not choose to wilfully reject.

Trying to appeal to what I may or may not have believed decades ago is a cop out in a discussion like the one we are having. What evidence do you claim to have for me today?

Originally posted by FMF
But "It is true regardless of what my opinion is" is simply your opinion, too.

It is an assumption that I am willing to make. And it is consistent with my worldview.

Originally posted by FMF
Trying to appeal to what I may or may not have believed decades ago is a cop out in a discussion like the one we are having. What evidence do you claim to have for me today?

I accept the Bible as evidence of God's revelation, you choose not to, or found out that you no longer do, whatever the case my be.