Your Purpose in Life

Originally posted by JS357
You are using three words: universal, objective, and perfect, that seem somewhat fuzzy in the context you are using them.

Here are definitions found by search. I don't argue for them, but want to know if they are in line with your thinking.

universal -- of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to al ...[text shortened]... ould you cite a specific Bible passage that meets the criteria of being universal and objective?

Sounds about right.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
It is an assumption that I am willing to make. And it is consistent with my worldview.

But it being "an assumption that [you are] willing to make" and it being "consistent with [your] worldview" are neither evidence nor arguments. And of course it is completely ludicrous that the 'revenge' for not believing what you believe is a kind of deranged and stupendously violent punishment. Your religion has dealt you a very poor hand.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I accept the Bible as evidence of God's revelation, you choose not to, or found out that you no longer do, whatever the case my be.

What other religious scriptures are evidence of "God's revelation"?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I accept the Bible as evidence of God's revelation, you choose not to, or found out that you no longer do, whatever the case my be.

The Bible
The Koran
The Vedas
The Talmud (Torah)
Guru Granth Sahib

Why have you chosen the Bible as evidence of God's revelation, as opposed to the other religious writings in the above list? You were not around when 'any' of the above were written, so on what basis do you build your evidence that the Bible alone carries this revelation?

Edit - Sorry FMF for the overlap. Hadn't seen your last post.

Originally posted by FMF
But it being "an assumption that [you are] willing to make" and it being "consistent with [your] worldview" are neither evidence nor arguments. And of course it is completely ludicrous that the 'revenge' for not believing what you believe is a kind of deranged and stupendously violent punishment. Your religion has dealt you a very poor hand.

Is your gut feeling based on any evidence or arguments? It's ok for you be believe in a gut feeling but it's not ok for me to believe the Bible? Get real dude.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
The Bible
The Koran
The Vedas
The Talmud (Torah)
Guru Granth Sahib

Why have you chosen the Bible as evidence of God's revelation, as opposed to the other religious writings in the above list? You were not around when 'any' of the above were written, so on what basis do you build your evidence that the Bible alone carries this revelation?

Edit - Sorry FMF for the overlap. Hadn't seen your last post.

I believe in universal truth, so two contradictory statements can't both be true. No other book comes close in terms of prophetic content. And all the other religious leaders are still in the grave.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Is your gut feeling based on any evidence or arguments? It's ok for you be believe in a gut feeling but it's not ok for me to believe the Bible? Get real dude.

You are claiming a supernatural being has communicated with you. You are claiming there has been some sort of revelation of this supernatural being's wishes and commands. You are claiming we have been given specific instructions. You are claiming to know about a system of rewards and punishments. You are claiming that humans can live on after death and, indeed, live forever. You do all this without any evidence. Meanwhile, I make no such claims. It's a bit rich, really, for you to me telling me to "get real".

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe in universal truth, so two contradictory statements can't both be true. No other book comes close in terms of prophetic content.

You do realize that your [1] sincerity and earnestness, and [2] your indefatigable certainty, are not, in and of themselves, evidence of anything that is external to you and thoughts, right?

Originally posted by FMF
You are claiming a supernatural being has communicated with you. You are claiming there has been some sort of revelation of this supernatural being's wishes and commands. You are claiming we have been given specific instructions. You are claiming to know about a system of rewards and punishments. You are claiming that humans can live on after death and, indeed, ...[text shortened]... anwhile, I make no such claims. It's a bit rich, really, for you to me telling me to "get real".

All I claim to believe is that the Bible is God's revelation to mankind. The rest flows logically from there.

Originally posted by FMF
You do realize that your [1] sincerity and earnestness, and [2] your indefatigable certainty, are not, in and of themselves, evidence of anything that is external to you and thoughts, right?

I believe that truth is knowable, do you? How do you differentiate between truth and untruths? With the amount of scepticism you posses, do you actually believe anything? If so what is the basis of your beliefs?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe that truth is knowable, do you? How do you differentiate between truth and untruths? With the amount of scepticism you posses, do you actually believe anything? If so what is the basis of your beliefs?

I have no reason to accept that the things you claim about supernatural matters are true because...

[1] you offer assertions and repeated circular logic rather than persuasive evidence, and

[2] propagating your extraordinary notions appears to put your intellectual abilities to properly put forward and explain them under such duress that you end up sounding like an ideologue who is only capable of discourse with people who already have the same superstitions as you.

It is entirely far-fetched to suggest that you might have been tasked in some way by a divine entity to impart "truth" and "revelations" to me. The old adage "God works in mysterious ways" does not adequately explain or excuse your performance here day in day out.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
With the amount of scepticism you posses, do you actually believe anything? If so what is the basis of your beliefs?

Give me some examples of "anything" as you mean it here.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All I claim to believe is that the Bible is God's revelation to mankind. The rest flows logically from there.

How can any logic that applies to the reality in which I live somehow flow from what you personally and subjectively believe or don't believe?

Originally posted by FMF
Give me some examples of "anything" as you mean it here.

Your belief in God and your belief that he can not reveal himself to anyone.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Your belief in God and your belief that he can not reveal himself to anyone.

I have never claimed to believe anything of the sort. He cannot reveal himself to anyone? When did I ever say that? I have no reason to think that God, if He exists and if He wants to, cannot reveal Himself to humanity. And I have no reason to believe He has revealed Himself to you.