Your Purpose in Life

Originally posted by FMF
And why do you think it's "morally perfect" for him to be tortured for eternity by a supernatural being if he is unable to "choose" to believe something that is unbelievable?

When did I say:

1. he will be tortured for eternity
2. It is for being 'unable to believe'?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
When did I say:

1. he will be tortured for eternity
2. It is for being 'unable to believe'?

Well you have carefully avoided saying explicitly what you believe so I'll just assume that my characterization is spot on correct until you can be bothered to be as open and honest - and forthcoming - about your beliefs as I am about mine.

Originally posted by FMF
Doesn't this mean you are simply declaring your own superstitious beliefs to constitute the "universal standard"?

I believe that certain actions are always wrong/evil regardless of the circumstance. The only way that makes sense to me is if there is universal standard of right and wrong.

Originally posted by FMF
Well you have carefully avoided saying explicitly what you believe so I'll just assume that my characterization is spot on correct until you can be bothered to be as open and honest - and forthcoming - about your beliefs as I am about mine.

I believe people are either, 'saved' or 'eternally lost', based on the choices that they 'are able' to make. I don't know for sure that those that are 'eternally lost' with be tortured for eternity, but I sure as hell wouldn't like to find out.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe that certain actions are always wrong/evil regardless of the circumstance. The only way that makes sense to me is if there is universal standard of right and wrong. T

Yes, so in other words, you are taking it upon yourself to unilaterally declare that what you personally just so happen to believe in is somehow the "universal standard" because it "makes sense" to you to do so, right?

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, so in other words, you are taking it upon yourself to unilaterally declare that what you personally just so happen to believe in is somehow the "universal standard" because it "makes sense" to you to do so, right?

Either there is a universal standard of right and wrong or there isn't. I assume there is.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I believe people are either, 'saved' or 'eternally lost', based on the choices that they 'are able' to make. I don't know for sure that those that are 'eternally lost' with be tortured for eternity, but I sure as hell wouldn't like to find out.

Once again, there's no real substance to your assertions about "absolute truth" as you see it. You admit you don't know what happens but you want me to know, in no uncertain terms, that it's "morally perfect" whatever it is. Yeah, right.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Either there is a universal standard of right and wrong or there isn't. I assume there is.

I am not aware of one. I don't contend that there is one. The only one you have come up with is one that exists only in your imagination and ~ well, well ~ it's all down to supernatural events and beings and places that you cannot actually establish exist except in that imagination of yours.

Originally posted by FMF
Mmm. Another celebrity who bought into Ayn Rand's breathless egotistical twaddle. And lyrics, here, that could have been in Spinal Tap. 😉

If you don't get it, just say so.

Originally posted by Suzianne
If you don't get it, just say so.

Of course I get it. It's not difficult stuff. Just offering my opinion on his scribblings (and on scribblings he likes) that's all. Good for you if it floats your boat. 😛

Originally posted by FMF
Once again, there's no real substance to your assertions about "absolute truth" as you see it. You admit you don't know what happens but you want me to know, in no uncertain terms, that it's "morally perfect" whatever it is. Yeah, right.

Obviously I choose to believe in a morally perfect God and you don't because I believe in his revelation and you don't. You choose to follow a gut feeling and believe in 'a pie in the sky' that is 'unknowable'. That is your choice.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Obviously I choose to believe in a morally perfect God and you don't because I believe in his revelation and you don't.

There's your declaration that your beliefs are "morally perfect" again.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not aware of one. I don't contend that there is one. The only one you have come up with is one that exists only in your imagination and ~ well, well ~ it's all down to supernatural events and beings and places that you cannot actually establish exist except in that imagination of yours.

I assume that one exists, you assume there isn't one.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You choose to follow a gut feeling and believe in 'a pie in the sky' that is 'unknowable'. That is your choice.

What "pie in the sky" is it you claim I believe in? Surely, the whole point of what I have been saying for weeks to you is that I pointedly don't have a "pie in the sky" that believe in or promote.

Originally posted by FMF
There's your declaration that your beliefs are "morally perfect" again.

I assume that the Bible is true hence I believe what it says.