Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYes, you assume that what your superstitions and imaginings (and assumptions) constitute what is "morally perfect" and the "universal standard" and "real". No doubt you're very pleased with that state of affairs. 😉
I assume that one exists, you assume there isn't one.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI don't "know" anything and certainly have nothing I can proselytise. I have merely the gut feeling I have described. Perhaps that gut feeling is some kind of evidence that God/god exists. I simply do not know. Certainly everything you have said makes me think you don't know either.
Either you believe that a 'god' exists, or you don't. So which is it?
Originally posted by FMFSo if I asked you whether you believe there is a God your answer would be: Yes or No?
I don't "know" anything and certainly have nothing I can proselytise. I have merely the gut feeling I have described. Perhaps that gut feeling is some kind of evidence that God/god exists. I simply do not know. Certainly everything you have said makes me think you don't know either.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI would say that God has not revealed Himself to any of us and yet my gut feeling that there is some sort of higher source - a god, gods or God, if you will - persists nevertheless.
So if I asked you whether you believe there is a God your answer would be: Yes or No?
Not much to go on, I'll admit ~ certainly not 'a belief that there is a God' that you can take to the bank, as it were ~ or from which you can extrapolate anything, let alone "preach" to someone else. Remember: there has been no revelation that I am aware of.
If one looks at the utterly convoluted mythology and supernaturalism you subscribe to, and which you use to claim that your beliefs are "perfect" and "universal", and if one requires me to have something similarly fanciful and detailed and doctrinal to 'compete' with that (and be the "winner" as you put it), in order to claim that 'there is a God', then - if those are the terms of reference - then 'no' is the answer.
An inexplicable, innate, instinctual feeling - akin to intuition - arrived at without consciously reasoning, and which has no potential to become a retail religion like yours? - then yes is the answer.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhy would you think for even a single moment that there would be such a competition in my mind? And why do you think your measurement or evaluation of what embodies "divinity" should have any relevance to me ~ or indeed any traction with me at all?
Victor. Clear standout, head and shoulders above the rest.(In terms of embodying divinity)
Originally posted by FMFI would say that God has not revealed Himself to any of us
I would say that God has not revealed Himself to any of us and yet my gut feeling that there is some sort of higher source - a god, gods or God, if you will - persists nevertheless.
How would you know that to be true?
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Originally posted by FMFOf course if you can believe something based on a gut feeling why would you even consider 'other evidence' when you have clearly decided there is none?
Why would you think for even a single moment that there would be such a competition in my mind? And why do you think your measurement or evaluation of what embodies "divinity" should have any relevance to me ~ or indeed any traction with me at all?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am perfectly comfortable with my gut feeling. You seem to think I have some problem or other with it or that I am at "fault" and that I am failing to back "the winner". I have listened to the notions you've been trying to 'sell' to me and they seem morally incoherent and baseless. Do you see yourself as trying to 'do God's work', so to speak, when you talk to me? If you do, then all I can say is that your ideology has dealt you a very poor hand.
Of course if you can believe something based on a gut feeling why would you even consider 'other evidence' when you have clearly decided there is none?