Your Purpose in Life

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Tell me exactly how you know that he hasn't revealed himself to Christians, for example.

I don't believe the claims that Christians make about the nature of God and the divinity of Christ and the significance of his life. That's exactly why.

Originally posted by FMF
What "pie in the sky" is it you claim I believe in? Surely, the whole point of what I have been saying for weeks to you is that I pointedly [b]don't have a "pie in the sky" that believe in or promote.[/b]

BUMP.

Originally posted by FMF
I am perfectly comfortable with my gut feeling. You seem to think I have some problem or other with it or that I am at "fault" and that I am failing to back "the winner". I have listened to the notions you've been trying to 'sell' to me and they seem morally incoherent and baseless. Do you see yourself as trying to 'do God's work', so to speak, when you talk to me? If you do, then all I can say is that your ideology has dealt you a very poor hand.

If there is no 'universal moral standard' then everything can be as morally incoherent and baseless as you want it to be. But obviously I don't expect you to realise that.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't believe the claims that Christians make about the nature of God and the divinity of Christ and the significance of his life. That's exactly why.

Which claims don't you believe and why don't you believe them?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Which claims don't you believe and why don't you believe them?

The claims that Christians make about the nature of God. About the divinity of Christ. And those about the significance of his life. You need to give me a reason to believe them. I don't believe that Muhammad was visited by "the angel Gabriel" either.

Originally posted by FMF
What "pie in the sky" is it you claim I believe in? Surely, the whole point of what I have been saying for weeks to you is that I pointedly [b]don't have a "pie in the sky" that believe in or promote.[/b]

The "pie in the sky" that is some 'higher power'. You claim that you can't know anything about it yet at the same time you claim it is a 'higher power' and you claim to know that you can't know something about it.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If there is no 'universal moral standard' then everything can be as morally incoherent and baseless as you want it to be. But obviously I don't expect you to realise that.

You're still making your arbitrary and subjective declaration that your own personal beliefs are the "universal moral standard" and the only details you have offered about this "universal moral standard" have been arrant nonsense.

Originally posted by FMF
The claims that Christians make about the nature of God. About the divinity of Christ. And those about the significance of his life. You need to give me a reason to believe them. I don't believe that Muhammad was visited by "the angel Gabriel" either.

What in your opinion would be a good enough reason to believe in them?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The "pie in the sky" that is some 'higher power'. You claim that you can't know anything about it yet at the same time you claim it is a 'higher power' and you claim to know that you can't know something about it.

Is there some difference between your "pie in the sky" and my "pie in the sky" aside from the fact that you just so happen to have attached a plethora of details and assertions and theories and folk/fairy stories and instructions and a system of rewards and punishments to yours for whatever personal reasons you have?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What in your opinion would be a good enough reason to believe in them? I

You need to give me reasons to believe the stuff you believe. I am not going to dream up and design some sort of hypothetical retail religion for you and then measure it against yours. Sorry. Not interested.

Originally posted by FMF
You're still making your arbitrary and subjective declaration that your own personal beliefs are the "universal moral standard" and the only details you have offered about this "universal moral standard" have been arrant nonsense.

Forget my personal beliefs. Hypothetically, if there is no universal moral standard, then you can you call anything 'immoral' that you want to call immoral without being right or wrong.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Forget my personal beliefs. Hypothetically, if there is no universal moral standard, then you can you call anything 'immoral' that you want to call immoral without being right or wrong.

I cannot forget your personal beliefs because your personal beliefs are all you are peddling under a delusion-of-grandeur "universal" and "absolute truth" banner. "Morality" is a social construct that has evolved and changed down through history (even the Bible, in so far as it is a history book, provides evidence of that) and it varies from culture to culture. There has been some convergence and an emerging consensus in the last century or so. But there is no "universal moral standard", except in your imagination - and... surprise, surprise... that "universal moral standard" happens to be based on some supernaturalism that you have a personal liking for.

Originally posted by FMF
You need to give me reasons to believe the stuff you believe. I am not going to dream up and design some sort of hypothetical retail religion for you and then measure it against yours. Sorry. Not interested.

And what will stop you from rejecting every possible reason I give just because you can?

Originally posted by FMF
I cannot forget your personal beliefs because your personal beliefs are all you are peddling under a delusion-of-grandeur "universal" and "absolute truth" banner. "Morality" is a social construct that has evolved and changed down through history (even the Bible, in so far as it is a history book, provides evidence of that) and it varies from culture to culture. ...[text shortened]... moral standard" happens to be based on some supernaturalism that you have a personal liking for.

If morality is in fact a what you say it is then there is no moral system that is better than another. Yet still you pretend that there is.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If morality is in fact a what you say it is then there is no moral system that is better than another. Yet still you pretend that there is.

I don't pretend anything. I simply have my own moral code and I try to live according to it and seek to understand and comply with the moral code and laws where I live. I am not pretending anything when I observe that different cultures have different perceptions and approaches to morality and that there have been variations down through history. It is you who is insisting that the supernatural moral system that you just so happen to like is superior to all others. Whether you really believe it is superior, or are just pretending that it is, is neither here nor there. I don't see how I am "pretending" anything.