Originally posted by @rajk999What’s your interpretation of what Jesus said in John 8:24?
Nope. Post mortems are not my thing. If you want to discuss what Jesus preached Im in. Anything else is a waste of my time.
What do you think Jesus meant when He said one had to be “born again” to enter the Kingdom of God?
What was Jesus referring to when He spoke of the New Covenant?
Originally posted by @romans1009The people who are born again and who enter the Kingdom of God is clearly spelt out here by Jesus himself :
What’s your interpretation of what Jesus said in John 8:24?
What do you think Jesus meant when He said one had to be “born again” to enter the Kingdom of God?
What was Jesus referring to when He spoke of the New Covenant?
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me:
I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
(Matthew 25:34-36 KJV)
Notice to enter the Kingdom of God you have to be born again.
These people who help Jesus are those who are born again.
They enter the kingdom of God.
All others are cast out.
Originally posted by @rajk999The words “born again” appear nowhere in your excerpt from the Bible. Jesus specifically used the words “born again” elsewhere in the Bible. Why, in that passage, did He use the words “born again” and say one must be born of water and the Spirit?
The people who are born again and who enter the Kingdom of God is clearly spelt out here by Jesus himself :
[i]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
...[text shortened]... Jesus are those who are born again.
They enter the kingdom of God.
All others are cast out.
“There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“
(John 3:1-6)
Originally posted by @romans1009Continuing in John chapter 3, Jesus says:
The words “born again” appear nowhere in your excerpt from the Bible. Jesus specifically used the words “born again” elsewhere in the Bible. Why, in that passage, did He use the words “born again” and say one must be born of water and the Spirit?
“There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
The same came to Jesus by nigh ...[text shortened]... is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“
(John 3:1-6)
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
(John 3:14-18)
How do you interpret those verses to mean good works are necessary to avoid condemnation?
Originally posted by @romans1009Oh . so Jesus was mistaken in allowing those people to enter the Kingdom of God 😀
The words “born again” appear nowhere in your excerpt from the Bible. Jesus specifically used the words “born again” elsewhere in the Bible. Why, in that passage, did He use the words “born again” and say one must be born of water and the Spirit?
“There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
The same came to Jesus by nigh ...[text shortened]... is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“
(John 3:1-6)
Originally posted by @romans1009Jesus said so. Do good works, live righteously and you will enter the Kingdom of God.
Continuing in John chapter 3, Jesus says:
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlastin ...[text shortened]... 18)
How do you interpret those verses to mean good works are necessary to avoid condemnation?
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
(Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)
Not once, not one solitary statement about
Blessed are the faithful ... not one statement along the lines of faith.
WORKS, RIGHTEOUSNESS, GOOD DEEDS.
You are on the wrong track, heading to damnation amigo.
Originally posted by @rajk999Not at all. You do realize that salvation by faith alone does not mean those who have obtained salvation by faith alone do not do good works?
Oh . so Jesus was mistaken in allowing those people to enter the Kingdom of God 😀
Good works are a manifestation of someone being saved, not a requirement to be saved. What evidence do you have that the sheep in that parable were not saved by faith alone and that their good works were not simply a manifestation of God’s Holy Spirit working within them?
Originally posted by @rajk999You still haven’t explained how Jesus’ comments in the Gospel of John comport with your false doctrine of works-based salvation. And I cited other sayings from Jesus which are quite clear that salvation is not by works. Are you planning to explain any of them?
Jesus said so. Do good works, live righteously and you will enter the Kingdom of God.
[i]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they sha ...[text shortened]...
WORKS, RIGHTEOUSNESS, GOOD DEEDS.
You are on the wrong track, heading to damnation amigo.
Originally posted by @romans1009Jesus said this somewhere? Please provide a reference
..Good works are a manifestation of someone being saved, not a requirement to be saved. ..
Originally posted by @romans1009Jesus words are self explanatory. He spoke plainly and in simple language. No explanation is required.
You still haven’t explained how Jesus’ comments in the Gospel of John comport with your false doctrine of works-based salvation. And I cited other sayings from Jesus which are quite clear that salvation is not by works. Are you planning to explain any of them?
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John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
That means that someone who does good works but is not born again will not see the kingdom of God.
My question to Raj stands unanswered: Rajk, would you agree that someone who does ‘good works’ but is not born again, will not enter the kingdom of Heaven?
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Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemMany thousands and even millions are in the spiritual network I am in. But not millions locally.
How many of you are in local groups of a spiritual nature? Do you need in-person connections to help maintain your beliefs?
Yes, I need fellowship to maintain healthy experience of Christ. Yes indeed.