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@bigdogg saidWe are all feeling in the dark, and advocating our own possibilities which are likely to be the same possibilities others deem most likely with our own, when others' possibilities seem more likely to us too, personally.
They're safe from me because no one knows the answer. They're just advocating for the possibility they deem most likely.
We are talking about opinions, and not facts. Obviously no one knows whether the universe was always in existence, or came into existence at some point in time.
It's a question which was asked in the past, and it's a question being asked today. It's still a question because no human knows, and we have only opinions, at best.
Provided we can muster up the audacity to question the object of discussion, does the universe itself know whether it has always existed? If the universe created us, perhaps through its own creation, us, is questioning itself?
What is evident at this point in the argument, is that something which is assumed to have always been in existence has created something which is also assumed to not have existed always, us. Man, assuming a rough estimate of a few millions of years ago, give or take 6,000, is assuming a date, in time, in having come into existence.
And yet, this short-lived man, whose assumed time in existence is but a drop in an infinite ocean of time, in comparison to eternity, has scaled the highest concepts made possible to us....infinity and eternity. I infer infinity relates to materialism, and eternity relates to spiritualism.
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@kellyjay saidPeople born in India are less likely to find your God. You get that, right? - If you had been born in India, you'd have been less likely to find the Christian God. You get that, right? It is extremely more likely you'd be here talking about reincarnation than resurrection.
God when we stand before Him, His judgment is going to be about us and Him, giving an account for how we lived the life He gave us, not where we lived, or who our parents were, or how good or bad our cultures were.
That day all accounts will be settled the good and bad regardless of who we are here. God’s forbearance, love, mercy and life will be shown true our lives or not. Location and time will not matter!
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@pettytalk saidIt is indeed remarkable humans have evolved to the state where we can question the universe and ponder how we got here. Thank goodness the god of gravity brought matter and the building blocks for life together.
We are all feeling in the dark, and advocating our own possibilities which are likely to be the same possibilities others deem most likely with our own, when others' possibilities seem more likely to us too, personally.
We are talking about opinions, and not facts. Obviously no one knows whether the universe was always in existence, or came into existence at some point ...[text shortened]... nfinity and eternity. I infer infinity relates to materialism, and eternity relates to spiritualism.
(The universe is the eternal snooker table, but it is gravity that racks the balls).
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNothing to do with evolution it could play no parts in the structure of the universe and our ability to reason about it. We share faith that the universe is understandable and predictable so we can comprehend with our minds. Where we part company, is when it comes to chaos and chance through a mindless set of circumstances made the universe and how our minds compatible for our understanding.
It is indeed remarkable humans have evolved to the state where we can question the universe and ponder how we got here. Thank goodness the god of gravity brought matter and the building blocks for life together.
@kellyjay saidThat wasn't the question I put to you. This is what I asked:
Nothing to do with evolution it could play no parts in the structure of the universe and our ability to reason about it. We share faith that the universe is understandable and predictable so we can comprehend with our minds. Where we part company, is when it comes to chaos and chance through a mindless set of circumstances made the universe and how our minds compatible for our understanding.
People born in India are less likely to find your God. You get that, right? - If you had been born in India, you'd have been less likely to find the Christian God. You get that, right? It is extremely more likely you'd be here talking about reincarnation than resurrection.
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@KellyJay
Let's imagine you were a vegetarian until you were 25. - Now, you happened to live in a society where almost everybody ate chicken. Your parents ate chicken, your siblings and friends ate chicken, your neighbours ate chicken. Not only that, almost everyone you met promoted the joy of chicken and even had festivals to celebrate it. - Yes, there was a shop here and there selling bacon or beef, but your overwhelming reality was chicken.
At 25, personal circumstances have you give up your vegetarianism and have you searching for meat. Which meat are you going to eat? Bacon? Beef? - Or do you think you might first give chicken a go? Suddenly you are united with the majority of the people around you and delight in benefits of chicken. What are the odds of you abandoning chicken and going in search of a different meat. Slim? (Especially as you have already revealed yourself as someone who stops searching when he thinks he has found what he is looking for). - Imagine you then meet your maker and discover that actually it is only partakers of the bacon who get to live forever in heaven. Would you feel a little hard done by? Would you consider it fair, especially as the people in the next community grew up in a culture of bacon eating,....not chicken.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThey are all going to stand in front of God with what they know, what they know is not a barometer for their ability to know God. Some come to faith with very little and others could have the scriptures memorized and go to worship daily and miss God.
That wasn't the question I put to you. This is what I asked:
People born in India are less likely to find your God. You get that, right? - If you had been born in India, you'd have been less likely to find the Christian God. You get that, right? It is extremely more likely you'd be here talking about reincarnation than resurrection.
@pettytalk saidI don't think the Universe has a mind. I think some of us want to give it one, because we are fascinated by our own minds and think they're pretty spiffy, and want to award the Universe one so it can be as spiffy as we are.
We are all feeling in the dark, and advocating our own possibilities which are likely to be the same possibilities others deem most likely with our own, when others' possibilities seem more likely to us too, personally.
We are talking about opinions, and not facts. Obviously no one knows whether the universe was always in existence, or came into existence at some point ...[text shortened]... nfinity and eternity. I infer infinity relates to materialism, and eternity relates to spiritualism.
That having been said, there could be alien species elsewhere that know much more about the history of the Universe. Maybe they even solved the question of The Beginning, somehow.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod is THE CONSTANT in the universe He is not more God in one country than another.
@KellyJay
Let's imagine you were a vegetarian until you were 25. - Now, you happened to live in a society where almost everybody ate chicken. Your parents ate chicken, your siblings and friends ate chicken, your neighbours ate chicken. Not only that, almost everyone you met promoted the joy of chicken and even had festivals to celebrate it. - Yes, there was a shop ...[text shortened]... especially as the people in the next community grew up in a culture of bacon eating,....not chicken.
@kellyjay said'Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' (John 14:6 ESV)
They are all going to stand in front of God with what they know, what they know is not a barometer for their ability to know God. Some come to faith with very little and others could have the scriptures memorized and go to worship daily and miss God.
Didn't you know?
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@kellyjay saidYour particular God is endemic in some countries more than others. Do you accept that? Your God is not the CONSTANT equally across all countries, even if you capitalise it. For Hindus, for example, Brahma is the constant.
God is THE CONSTANT in the universe He is not more God in one country than another.
Why would an omniscient deity not give equal access to salvation?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYep, Jesus Christ the Word of God made flesh speaks truth, not because He says true things, but because He is the Truth.
'Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' (John 14:6 ESV)
Didn't you know?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod is constant we on the other hand are not, salvation is a work of God.
Your particular God is endemic in some countries more than others. Do you accept that? Your God is not the CONSTANT equally across all countries, even if you capitalise it. For Hindus, for example, Brahma is the constant.
Why would an omniscient deity not give equal access to salvation?
@kellyjay saidIf Jesus is the only way, don't countries that have a dominant religion, other than Christianity, have a disadvantage in their pursuit of salvation?
Yep, Jesus Christ the Word of God made flesh speaks truth, not because He says true things, but because He is the Truth.