Your tooth fairy not mine

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No! For the last time no!

The universe does not exist because it made itself. (Why are you not hearing this? ) How could an eternal universe make itself if it has no beginning. Does your eternal God have a beginning. Did he makes himself?

It been brought up from time to time nothing gets redefined to something for a cause. You are telling me you never heard this?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No! For the last time no!

The universe does not exist because it made itself. (Why are you not hearing this? ) How could an eternal universe make itself if it has no beginning. Does your eternal God have a beginning. Did he makes himself?

You realize I was just speaking to possibilities that are out there, do you require examples?

@kellyjay said
Did not say that, maybe you should ask specific questions while making specific comparisons. What makes you think your Brahma has standing in this discussion?

Brahma is considered by Hindus as the creator. He has no less standing in this discussion than the God you believe in, and the evidence you see as validating your God could just as easily validate Brahma. Do you accept that? (A specific question).

@kellyjay said
It been brought up from time to time nothing gets redefined to something for a cause. You are telling me you never heard this?

I have no idea what that means.

@kellyjay said
You realize I was just speaking to possibilities that are out there, do you require examples?

This is what you said:

"We have so far seen your one ended universe with respect to time, the narrative that the natural universe exists because it made itself when it wasn’t here to make itself."

This is NOT the universe I presented you. This is not what 'you have so far seen.' My narrative is not that "the natural universe exists because it made itself." By repeating that you are totally ignoring and misrepresented what I have told you about what I believe.

When you said 'yes' previously to understanding what I believe, that the universe had no beginning and did not make itself, was that a lie? - When you reference the narrative that the natural universe exists because it made itself, who's narrative is that? Why are you falsely attributing that narrative to me?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Brahma is considered by Hindus as the creator. He has no less standing in this discussion than the God you believe in, and the evidence you see as validating your God could just as easily validate Brahma. Do you accept that? (A specific question).

What gives him standing? Did he take credit for creating time, energy, space, and everything not himself from outside the universe? Did he set all moral standards, claim there is no other god besides him?

Were the writers who spoke about him do so over a span of hundreds of years, did he make and keep promises to those who knew him? Did he call out from among a people a man and build a nation with him, one which is in the news today.

I think you should reclassify the God of scripture He stands alone. What about him rivals God, outside of the title I believe the classification is different, one a fairy tale the other the prime reality!

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This is what you said:

"We have so far seen your one ended universe with respect to time, the narrative that the natural universe exists because it made itself when it wasn’t here to make itself."

This is NOT the universe I presented you. This is not what 'you have so far seen.' My narrative is not that "the natural universe exists because it made itself." By re ...[text shortened]... cause it made itself, who's narrative is that? Why are you falsely attributing that narrative to me?

No when i reference you I get specific when I speak in generalities I don’t. Defend your point I am not asking you to defend something you don’t agree with.

There I don’t believe you can!

@kellyjay said
What gives him standing? Did he take credit for creating time, energy, space, and everything not himself from outside the universe? Did he set all moral standards, claim there is no other god besides him?

Were the writers who spoke about him do so over a span of hundreds of years, did he make and keep promises to those who knew him? Did he call out from among a people a man and build a nation with him, one which is in the news today.

Pretty much. Have you ever looked into Hinduism? (You know, before dismissing it out of hand).

@kellyjay said

I think you should reclassify the God of scripture He stands alone. What about him rivals God, outside of the title I believe the classification is different, one a fairy tale the other the prime reality!

No He doesn't. Your god belongs in the same hat as all the others.

And by describing other religions as fairy tales you are giving the green light for me to describe your religion as a fairy tale.

You have no special insight into the prime reality. I thought we had established that.

@kellyjay said
No when i reference you I get specific when I speak in generalities I don’t.

Let's look at what you actually wrote and break it down.

"We have so far seen your one ended universe"

Clearly here you are referencing me and making a false claim. How is an eternal universe one ended?

Next you say, "with respect to time, the narrative that the natural universe exists because it made itself when it wasn’t here to make itself."

Who has put forward that narrative?! Not me. How can an eternal universe make itself?


What you have done Kelly, instead of addressing the beliefs I have clearly shared, is to fashion a straw man that you can then easily ridicule. It is like me ignoring what you say about God, claim you believe he sits on a white fluffy cloud, then gleefully ridicule the idea of a God sitting on a white fluffy cloud.

@kellyjay said
What gives him standing? Did he take credit for creating time, energy, space, and everything not himself from outside the universe? Did he set all moral standards, claim there is no other god besides him?

Were the writers who spoke about him do so over a span of hundreds of years, did he make and keep promises to those who knew him? Did he call out from among a people ...[text shortened]... f the title I believe the classification is different, one a fairy tale the other the prime reality!

There is nothing in the Judeo-Christian mythology which cannot be found elsewhere scattered about in much older religions: a man-God who is betrayed, killed, resurrected, promises made and kept, prophecies made and fulfilled, people returning from the dead, a dualistic universe of good and evil in which good eventually triumphs but only after thousands of years, a creator entity who made the universe and time and space and humanity, a moral imperator, etc. etc. In fact, much of the Book of Genesis was simply lifted from the Babylonians, and THEY got it from the Sumerians before that. There is nothing special about the Bible. Nothing at all. It is not more self-validating than Homer's Illiad or the Bagavad Gita or the Upanishads, or any of thousands of other texts held by someone or other to be holy.

@ghost-of-a-duke said

You have no special insight into the prime reality. I thought we had established that.

I have amazon Prime. Does that count?

@moonbus said
There is nothing in the Judeo-Christian mythology which cannot be found elsewhere shattered about in much older religions: a man-God who is betrayed, killed, resurrected, promises made and kept, people returning from the dead, a dualistic universe of good and evil in which good eventually triumphs but only after thousands of years, a creator entity who made the universe and t ...[text shortened]... avad Gita or the Upanishads, or any of thousands of other texts held by someone or other to be holy.

Hinduism even has its very own Trinity. 🙂

@moonbus said
I have amazon Prime. Does that count?

Trial period?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Trial period?

Yup. Gunna watch The Passion. See whether it moves me.