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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhere have you seen me argue for a young Earth in this, or anywhere for that matter? Take a step in the right direction and deal with the things I have been saying not things you believe I said and did not.
It really does Kelly. Abandon the idea of a young Earth and you'll take a step in the right direction.
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@kellyjay saidIs the age of the earth in any way important to you?
Where have you seen me argue for a young Earth in this, or anywhere for that matter? Take a step in the right direction and deal with the things I have been saying not things you believe I said and did not.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat's a strange movie. But strangely enough, my alarm clock keeps going off at 6 AM even when not set. But I like the song set for the alarm. "There's no hill or mountain we can't climb"
The Earth won't exist again. An eternal universe isn't a time loop. It isn't a exact repetition.
Good lord have you been binge watching groundhog day?
How can anyone possible know how a theory repeats itself? First we must have solid proof that the theory of repetition is not a theory. The next step would be to note how it repeats.....identical repeating, or not identical? Maybe a combinations of similarities of repetition? As was previously questioned, will the physical laws be the same exact laws....no more no less? Besides, in an eternal repeating universe, it's bound to have segments of identical repeating in every respect.
Perhaps there is always some eternal truth in anything which seems strange. In the movie, it seems that we keep repeating until we get it just where we want it. The only problem with the plot is that it is seem as a repetition only from an individual's point of view and wants. Now imagine everyone else involved in the repetitions wanting their own repetitions for getting at where they want it, too.
@kellyjay saidI don't recall your having presented any argument for a young Earth. Nonetheless, that is what you believe, isn't it?
Where have you seen me argue for a young Earth in this, or anywhere for that matter? Take a step in the right direction and deal with the things I have been saying not things you believe I said and did not.
You also believe that all the species of animals and plants found on the Earth today popped into existence fully formed in a short period of time, don't you?
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@moonbus saidHave there been found specimens of a series of animal changes? Forget the worms and butterflies, and the tadpoles and frogs. How about all the transformation a bat has gone through to become a blind flying mammal? I mean a series, and not just one feature. For instance did the bat become blind before growing wings? Do we have any evidence of bats with eyes and no wings? Or bats with wings and eyes too? Things like that, of that nature.
I don't recall your having presented any argument for a young Earth. Nonetheless, that is what you believe, isn't it?
You also believe that all the species of animals and plants found on the Earth today popped into existence fully formed in a short period of time, don't you?
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@moonbus saidI have admitted to believing in a young earth, BUT I also admit I can’t prove it! Even if the only thing we can use was the Bible to make the case. So I don’t bother with it because it is unimportant compared to processes involved.
I don't recall your having presented any argument for a young Earth. Nonetheless, that is what you believe, isn't it?
You also believe that all the species of animals and plants found on the Earth today popped into existence fully formed in a short period of time, don't you?
I have said this too, that I can grant you all the time you want or think that you want, time doesn’t matter if the processes can not do what is required if chaos, chance, and supposedly pure material processes can accomplish what we see in the time YOU say we have.
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@moonbus saidI believe they all showed up at the same time suddenly yes. How old the universe is and life showing up are different topics, one doesn’t necessarily really have anything to do with the other. The old earth could be true, and life could still all show up at the same time, no different than a young earth.
I don't recall your having presented any argument for a young Earth. Nonetheless, that is what you believe, isn't it?
You also believe that all the species of animals and plants found on the Earth today popped into existence fully formed in a short period of time, don't you?
That is quite different than Abiogenesis and Evolution since one is completely dependent upon the other.
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@kellyjay saidSo when at the top of the page, you said:
I have admitted to believing in a young earth, BUT I also admit I can’t prove it!
”Where have you seen me argue for a young Earth in this, or anywhere for that matter?”
You must have been being dishonest. How else would several diverse posters here remember that you believed it?
Perhaps a better thing to do would have been to firstly admit that you DO in fact believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old (because you are a biblical literalist), which is the key point, and then maybe say you don’t remember saying so in this forum.
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@kellyjay saidYou've said it at least once Kelly. (Which is sufficient, unless you've changed your mind since then? )
Where have you seen me argue for a young Earth in this, or anywhere for that matter? Take a step in the right direction and deal with the things I have been saying not things you believe I said and did not.
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@pettytalk saidI'm going to take you back to the snooker table. When a new game begins and the cue ball smashes into the reds (played by a poor snooker player) will the balls end up in exactly the same places they did in the previous game? Why not? It was the same player breaking off using a similar amount of power, played on the same table?
That's a strange movie. But strangely enough, my alarm clock keeps going off at 6 AM even when not set. But I like the song set for the alarm. "There's no hill or mountain we can't climb"
How can anyone possible know how a theory repeats itself? First we must have solid proof that the theory of repetition is not a theory. The next step would be to note how it repeats... ...[text shortened]... se involved in the repetitions wanting their own repetitions for getting at where they want it, too.
No doubt a ball or two will end up in similar positions but the vast majority will not. Chance and so many other factors will ensure each 'rebirth' of the universe is different from the one that proceeded it, even if it is constructed from the same matter.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYes, I had to change my mind years ago, I even argued for it but had to change my mind after some study of scripture. As scripture starts by saying, "In the beginning God..." that does not set down a marker of time that we can then go on say meant day one when God starts working on the rest of the universe, it is an indefinite amount of time, so now, I don't know it the true answer.
You've said it at least once Kelly. (Which is sufficient, unless you've changed your mind since then? )
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@pettytalk saidPettyTalk, how do you know this?
The god gravity! Oh, you actually believe I took it literally? It takes more than a god of gravity to shape a planet, and make life possible on it. It takes a real God, one who can make gravity, which in turn will do all his work for him, so he can rest at least one day a week.
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@kellyjay saidSo you no assert that you haven’t believed in a young earth for “years”?
Yes, I had to change my mind years ago
Edit; and you now acknowledge that there is an indeterminate time between “in the beginning” and “on the first day”?