@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou can play that game with everything, you want to dismiss it all, a speck of rejection will remove a mountain of evidence.
If I provide a certificate that I am half alien, would you consider it evidence? Eye witness accounts from people I don't know and who's motives I don't know, who's authenticity I don't know, from thousands of years ago, doesn't remotely come close to 'evidence' of the resurrection or anything else.
Your beliefs are not evidence based. They are faith based.
@kellyjay saidScience has evidence. It's literally what it does.
Well, that is your tooth fairy God story, the story we see in reality has been passed down for centuries and have changed the life of those who come to God for His grace and mercy. I have been to the land where these things occurred, there is scripture that was written about Jesus' life before He was born, while He walked the earth as one of us after He died and rose from t ...[text shortened]... So your denial only shows you simply don't want to acknowledge, because it is there for all to see.
It's okay to say faith does not require evidence. The whole 'no evidence' thing is how God gives people free will to decide for themselves. He rewards those who believe. If religion WAS 'evidence-based' as you claim, then there would be zero value to belief, and no reason for rewarding belief. God would just become a dictator. And so would those who administer his little theocracy.
@kellyjay saidLet me ask you this (and this is a friction point): Do you believe JUST because you think it has been PROVEN to you?
Written documentation saying that Jesus rose from the dead is evidence, you can say you don't believe it, but millions have believed and had their lives changed due to the truth of that evidence. We have eyewitness documents, we have documentation from those who knew the eyewitnesses, and we have Luke who did research as well and was able to talk to those who knew firsthand ...[text shortened]... xactly what do you think is required that would show Jesus rose from the dead as a verifiable story?
@suzianne saidWhat moral purpose do you attach to "rewarding" faith?
It's okay to say faith does not require evidence. The whole 'no evidence' thing is how God gives people free will to decide for themselves. He rewards those who believe. If religion WAS 'evidence-based' as you claim, then there would be zero value to belief, and no reason for rewarding belief.
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@suzianne saidThere is evidence, we can not prove God, but the universe points to God so no one will have an excuse, scripture points to God and it is written so we may come to faith and believe. Science can only give descriptions to what is in the universe; however, it lacks the ability to do more than describe what is taking place. As I have mentioned before we know what gravity does, but we can not say what it is. So if anyone claims to understand due to science only, they are not basing it on anything that is not subject to change as soon as anything new comes up.
Science has evidence. It's literally what it does.
It's okay to say faith does not require evidence. The whole 'no evidence' thing is how God gives people free will to decide for themselves. He rewards those who believe. If religion WAS 'evidence-based' as you claim, then there would be zero value to belief, and no reason for rewarding belief. God would just become a dictator. And so would those who administer his little theocracy.
@suzianne saidWhy does an omniscient God want people to believe without evidence and reward them for doing so? Why wouldn't such a God want people to come to him because they are convinced intellectually, based on evidence?
Science has evidence. It's literally what it does.
It's okay to say faith does not require evidence. The whole 'no evidence' thing is how God gives people free will to decide for themselves. He rewards those who believe. If religion WAS 'evidence-based' as you claim, then there would be zero value to belief, and no reason for rewarding belief. God would just become a dictator. And so would those who administer his little theocracy.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYour fairy tale god may be like that, so you will have to speak for him, I don't believe in that god of yours, which shouldn't be surprising since even you don't.
Why does an omniscient God want people to believe without evidence and reward them for doing so? Why wouldn't such a God want people to come to him because they are convinced intellectually, based on evidence?
@kellyjay saidNot sure how that post advances the conversation.
Your fairy tale god may be like that, so you will have to speak for him, I don't believe in that god of yours, which shouldn't be surprising since even you don't.
@kellyjay saidThe Bible is no more evidence that someone rose from the dead than Homer’s Illiad is evidence of a battle on the shore of present-day Turkey.
Written documentation saying that Jesus rose from the dead is evidence, you can say you don't believe it, but millions have believed and had their lives changed due to the truth of that evidence. We have eyewitness documents, we have documentation from those who knew the eyewitnesses, and we have Luke who did research as well and was able to talk to those who knew firsthand ...[text shortened]... xactly what do you think is required that would show Jesus rose from the dead as a verifiable story?