Originally posted by stockenThe divine essence can go to hell?
This actually makes sense to me. If there's a God, then the teachings of Zarathustra explains the good and evil in the world in a way that I can accept. We make our own choices, and if we make good choices, we will bring good, bad choices will bring evil. To think about the choices we make, most seriousl ...[text shortened]... sophy) is based on the thoughts of an ancient philosopher from the middle east (persian empire).
Originally posted by stockenCan't or won't? I don't see how we can determine either to everyone's liking, but if we are going to assume things lets not assume one of these.
If we accept what Zarathustra apparently said, that each and everyone of us carries around parts of the divine essence within us, and us making bad choices that leads to evil will condemn us to a dark afterlife existence, then yes: the divine essence can go to hell.
Very interesting, isn't it? I mean, compelling somehow. The fallen angel in christianity, ...[text shortened]... , I find Zarathustra interesting, and I'll definitely read more about him from various sources.
Originally posted by TetsujinYou mean, let's not assume that God can't or won't intervene with the events of the world?
Can't or won't? I don't see how we can determine either to everyone's liking, but if we are going to assume things lets not assume one of these.
Originally posted by stockenMeh, I was more concerned of sparking an off topic debate on the reconcilliation of god in the face of evil.
You mean, let's not assume that God can't or won't intervene with the events of the world?
Well, since God gave us free will to choose for ourselves what actions we want to take in life, then he cannot interfere with those actions. You can say he won't because it would defeat the purpose of giving us free will in the first place, or you can say he can ...[text shortened]... e make our own choices.
Still not believing in God, per se, I think what he said makes sense.
Originally posted by TetsujinPlease start a new thread if you want to debate something off-topic. I beg.
Meh, I was more concerned of sparking an off topic debate on the reconcilliation of god in the face of evil.
My initial question was concerning the essence itself. What makes the essence divine?
More importantly, can a divine essence err, or how much of that divine essence are we resonsible for?
Originally posted by stockenummm... I was under the impression that the essence of our life(soul) would be the divine factor, and that our mind would err. But, why would the soul be condemmend for the actions of a corrupted mind?
Please start a new thread if you want to debate something off-topic. I beg.
This is very odd for me. I'm speaking of God and divinity when in fact, I don't believe in such things. I'll keep this up though, just for the fun of it.
What makes the essence divine? I don't know if this is true, but it seems that people from various cultures all over the ...[text shortened]... speak my own language - in english, that is - we're always responsible for our own actions.
Originally posted by TetsujinAaaah, good one. I like you Tetsujin.
ummm... I was under the impression that the essence of our life(soul) would be the divine factor, and that our mind would err. But, why would the soul be condemmend for the actions of a corrupted mind?
Assuming that the soul is the divine essence.
Sure enough, some people are raised to be less good and more evil in the generally accepted terms. How do we deal with them?
Originally posted by stockenHahaha. Trust me when I say this; when you start losing sleep to the insanity of pursuing a better understanding of this world and spend a weekend afternoon amazed by the liveliness of the grass when there is no breeze, you'll really start to love/hate me.
Aaaah, good one. I like you Tetsujin.
Originally posted by stockenI like this quote:
So, if we accept the world-view the way Zarathustra has it, then I'd say God can't or won't intervene in what's happening in this world, simply because we're supposed to think for ourselves. This world becomes what it is, because we make our own choices.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nage"According to Zarathushtra, there is no Devil. We are the ones who may choose goodness or create evil. In other words, the Devil is only in our own minds. Therefore, if we truly get to know ourselves, and come to be in command of our minds, we need not fear Ahriman."
I like this quote:
"We are co-workers and co-creators of God. We are here to fulfill the divine plan, not to become obedient slaves of God, nor to be helpless children of God. And this is why we are given the choice. Even the choice not to cooperate with God’s plan and go against it, and that is why we find evil in the world. Because there are some ...[text shortened]... ls, devil, with the eventual addition of a saviour, Mithras)--the reverse of the usual process).
Originally posted by stockenAs far as I can tell, Zarathustra's teachings urge not to believe in God but to be God (Good) as far as we possibly can. Perhaps that is why Nietszche picked up on him.
This, I think, is the main reason I find it hard to believe in God. If there is no Devil (or the Devil is less powerful than God) then why assume there is a God? Isn't it possible that God and the Devil are both equally strong omniscient beings, or that none of them exists?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYES! Exactly! Which is why I like him so much, too. If we are all pieces of God, then it makes sense. The creation is not yet finished, perhaps an ever-evolving process, and we can all do something about the world. It gives hope to a world that otherwise seem far too big for an individual to affect.
As far as I can tell, Zarathustra's teachings urge not to believe in God but to be God (Good) as far as we possibly can. Perhaps that is why Nietszche picked up on him.
Originally posted by stockenThat sounds like a Nietzschean yes.
YES!...(There are similarities between Zoroastrianism and buddhism, I think, but I haven't read enough about either of them to be able to pinpoint them.)
Originally posted by Bosse de NageOne can only speculate, and I will not. My brain is in a state of overload at the moment... I think I'll actually work for a while now...
That sounds like a Nietzschean yes.
The similarity to Buddhism also occurred to me--the right action program. I wonder what Zarathustra would have thought of Buddha's dharma.