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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am a Zen master, ask me anything.
The Buddha says to treat everyone as a master ....so you are not special rockboy

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
Designed to quieten the mind while keeping it alert.
The "answer" to a koan is for the student himself. it would make no sense to any other than the master
A koan has no answer, Daniel san.

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
The Buddha says to treat everyone as a master ....so you are not special rockboy
I bow Master Karoly


Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am a Zen master, ask me anything.
Ok. What should I ask you?

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
You sure?
Absolutely.

Would you say that absolute certainty is the prime objective of Zen?

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
Yeah well god wasn't present all those times so his followers had to tell me
Tell you what?

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
A koan has no answer, Daniel san.
no logical answer. Usually no audible answer , But it does have an answer

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I bow Master Karoly
I bow

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Originally posted by josephw
Absolutely.

Would you say that absolute certainty is the prime objective of Zen?
Yes. But apparently to reach that "certainty" one must past through the "moment of Great Doubt" There is no "gradual enlightenment" , only a sudden one.
So the closer you get, the greater your doubt becomes.

a Zen student must have absolute conviction and a splash of origonalitiy

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Originally posted by josephw
Tell you what?
Whatever god was speaking through them. (If that was the case)


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Zen masters should answer all questions. It's just one of their things. And I do remember Robbie proclaiming.... something about being a zen master

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
Zen masters should answer all questions. It's just one of their things. And I do remember Robbie proclaiming.... something about being a zen master
Zen masters may answer a question in an unexpected fashion. I remember reading about one chap (Danish I think he was) who spent time in a Zen Monastery and had asked a Zen master some convoluted question about the reason for existence. The Master had simply poured the contents of the teapot on to the tatami mat, before nodding wisely.

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Zen masters may answer a question in an unexpected fashion. I remember reading about one chap (Danish I think he was) who spent time in a Zen Monastery and had asked a Zen master some convoluted question about the reason for existence. The Master had simply poured the contents of the teapot on to the tatami mat, before nodding wisely.
Levon Aronian the Armenian super Grandmaster told an interesting story after beating Anish Giri. He had lost the previous game in the Tata steel tournament badly.

A man comes to the Master and asks, please teach me. The master says go outside and stand for sometime until you get a sign. The disciple went outside, it started to rain and the disciple was soaked through. He came back to the master. The master asked him what he learned. I did not learn anything except that I am an idiot for following your teachings. Exactly retorted the master now you realise that you are an idiot, you can begin learning!

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
You just have to die with JC in your heart, or some version of this?

Why do you always have to wait for death in Cristianity?
Because that justifies all the bullshyte you put up with to be christian.