Originally posted by quackquack
McLain certain was the dominant pitcher in baseball for a few years (something Jack Morris never was).
Here are the numbers. They are not as skewed as you think they are.
Here are Denny McLain's stats
131W..91L..1886IP..548BB..1282K..3.39ERA..1.16WHIP
Here are Jack Morris' stats
254W..186L..3824IP..1390BB..2478K..3.90ERA..1.29WHIP
Just for laughs, if you extrapolate McLain's numbers out to 18 years (giving him credit for the same pitching prowess the entire time (which is generous because he would expect to tail off as he aged...but for arguments' sake we will say he was superman). look at how the key numbers compare.
Wins..... McLain 236 Morris 254
Losses...McLain 164 Morris 186
BB........McLain 986 Morris 1390
K's........McLain 2308 Morris 2478
Here are McLain's awards Played from 1963- 1972 (10 seasons)
All Star selections - 3 (1966, 1968, 1969)
MVP -1 (1968)
CY Award - 2 (1968, 1969)
TSN Pitcher of the year - 2 (1968, 1969)
World Series Champions played for - 1 (1968 Detroit)
Here are Jack Morris' awards Played from 1977 - 1994 (18 seasons )
All Star selections - 5 (1981, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1991)
TSN Pitcher of the Year - 1 (1981)
World Series MVP - 1 (1991)
Babe Ruth Award - 2 (1984, 1991)
World Series Champions played for - 4 ( 1984 Detroit, 1991 Minnesota, 1992, 1993 Toronto)
You say Morris never was dominant??
1979 - 17W - 7L
1983 - 29W - 13L
1984 - 19W - 11L
1986 - 21W - 8L
1987 - 18W - 11L
1991 - 18W - 12L
1992 - 21W - 6L (2 years before he retired!!!)
Now for a few more grins and giggles, here are some comparisons with the last 10 pitchers selected to the HOF
Nolan Ryan.......324W...292L...3.19ERA...1.247 WHIP
Phil Niekro........318W...274L...3.35ERA...1.268WHIP
Jim Bunning......224W...184L...3.27ERA...1.179WHIP
Steve Carlton....329W...244L...3.22ERA...1.247WHIP
Hal Newhouser..207W...150L...3.06ERA...1.311WHIP
Tom Seaver......311W...205L...2.86ERA...1.121WHIP
Fergie Jenkins...284W...226L...3.34ERA...1.142WHIP
Gaylord Perry...314W...265L...3.11ERA...1.181WHIP
Jim Palmer.......268W...152L...2.86ERA...1.180WHIP
Jim Hunter........224W...166L...3.26ERA...1.134WHIP
Jack Morris.......254W...186L....3.90ERA...1.290WHIP
His winning percentage and WHIP compare favorably, although his ERA is higher than all. He was a money pitcher as evidenced in big games.