Appeals to greed

Originally posted by KellyJay
You should halp the unfortunate, that does not stop if you are paying
taxes or not.
Kelly

Let me try to understand you. It seems your position is that it's "wrong" for the government to help the unfortunate because they can "get something" while "paying nothing." Why are you opposed to this? How is your opposition to paying taxes to help the unfortunate not based in your own greed?

People who advocate a flat tax do so out of greed or ignorance. It only serves to put more money in the pockets of those who earn the most and take more money from those who earn the least.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Let me try to understand you. It seems your position is that it's "wrong" for the government to help the unfortunate because they can "get something" while "paying nothing." Why are you opposed to this? How is your opposition to paying taxes to help the unfortunate not based in your own greed?

People who advocate a flat tax do so out of greed or ignora ...[text shortened]... the pockets of those who earn the most and take more money from those who earn the least.

No where did I say it was wrong for the government to help the
unfortunate at all, I said it was wrong for people to reap the
benefits and not help foot the bill. It is wrong to treat one person
differently than another, the playing field is either level or it isn't.
To have a progressive tax table is to treat people different, and it
allows politicians to divide and conquer with their tax schemes,
because they pit one segment of society against another as if
one segment is owed part of another’s wealth.

A flat tax hits everyone the same way, you make more you pay
more, you make less you pay less, with an equal percentage, so
there is equality and fairness in how everyone is treated.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Let me try to understand you. It seems your position is that it's "wrong" for the government to help the unfortunate because they can "get something" while "paying nothing." Why are you opposed to this? How is your opposition to paying taxes to help the unfortunate not based in your own greed?

People who advocate a flat tax do so out of greed or ignora ...[text shortened]... the pockets of those who earn the most and take more money from those who earn the least.

"People who advocate a flat tax do so out of greed or ignorance. It only serves to put more money in the pockets of those who earn the most and take more money from those who earn the least."

Your statement is the pinnacle of culture of greed!

A flat percentage treats everyone the same way, it also forces
everyone who reaps benifits from the state to contribute to the state,
it favors no one, because it treats everyone the same way.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]"People who advocate a flat tax do so out of greed or ignorance. It only serves to put more money in the pockets of those who earn the most and take more money from those who earn the least."

Your statement is the pinnacle of culture of greed!

A flat percentage treats everyone the same way, it also forces
everyone who reaps benifits from the s ...[text shortened]... to contribute to the state,
it favors no one, because it treats everyone the same way.
Kelly[/b]

Seems logical to me, and I'm neither greedy nor ignorant. 😀

Originally posted by KellyJay
No where did I say it was wrong for the government to help the
unfortunate at all, I said it was wrong for people to reap the
benefits and not help foot the bill. It is wrong to treat one person
differently than another, the playing field is either level or it isn't.
To have a progressive tax table is to treat people different, and it
allows politician ...[text shortened]... with an equal percentage, so
there is equality and fairness in how everyone is treated.
Kelly

Perhaps you need to consider those who are not able to pay all or part of "the bill".

There is nothing inherently "unfair" about a progressive tax table. Everyone is treated the same. However, the dollars above certain thresholds is taxed at a higher rate.

Originally posted by KellyJay
[b]"People who advocate a flat tax do so out of greed or ignorance. It only serves to put more money in the pockets of those who earn the most and take more money from those who earn the least."

Your statement is the pinnacle of culture of greed!

A flat percentage treats everyone the same way, it also forces
everyone who reaps benifits from the s ...[text shortened]... to contribute to the state,
it favors no one, because it treats everyone the same way.
Kelly[/b]

Are you saying that someone who needs tax break to feed his family is the "pinnacle of culture of greed"? I'm thinking someone who is unwilling to settle for less options on his high-end Mercedes Benz in order to feed that family is the greedy one.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Are you saying that someone who needs tax break to feed his family is the "pinnacle of culture of greed"? I'm thinking someone who is unwilling to settle for less options on his high-end Mercedes Benz in order to feed that family is the greedy one.

I'm saying you are willing to treat someone to another's money that
is wrong, it is stealing when you do it, it is taxes when the government
does it. Either everyone is treated the same way, or they are not, and
you do not favor treating everyone the same way. The more you make
the more you pay with a flat tax. With the flat tax everyone is on
equal footing, because "the bill" is paid by everyone, so everyone has
stake in it. That isn’t true today, not everyone feels it when someone
squanders the tax payers’ money, because it isn’t coming out of their
hard earn work; it is coming out of someone else’s earnings.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Are you saying that someone who needs tax break to feed his family is the "pinnacle of culture of greed"? I'm thinking someone who is unwilling to settle for less options on his high-end Mercedes Benz in order to feed that family is the greedy one.

I don't care what anyone buys with their money, more power to them
if they can buy the car of their dreams, good for them.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Perhaps you need to consider those who are not able to pay all or part of "the bill".

There is nothing inherently "unfair" about a progressive tax table. Everyone is treated the same. However, the dollars above certain thresholds is taxed at a higher rate.

Higher rates for some over others is not treating everyone the same
way now is it? Having some pay none while others pay the lions share
is not treating everyone the same way now is it?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Higher rates for some over others is not treating everyone the same
way now is it? Having some pay none while others pay the lions share
is not treating everyone the same way now is it?
Kelly

It's becoming quite clear that you don't understand certain concepts:

Main Entry: greed
Function: noun
Etymology: back-formation from greedy
Date: 1609
: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed.

Clearly someone living below the poverty line is NOT greedy, since the don't even have enough money for basic needs.


Because of the GREED of business owners and management, the wages for many workers is set below the poverty line. There is nothing "fair" about this. Also, there are many who, because of unfortunate circumstances, are unable to work or are limited in how much they can work. I don't at all mind paying extra taxes for the government to help these individuals. You've made it clear that you do. You may be "Christian", but you seem to have no concept of the teachings of Jesus.

A progressive tax treats everyone the same. An example of a progressive tax would be as follows:
The first 10K is untaxed for EVERYONE regardless of total income.
The next 20K is taxed at 10% for EVERYONE.
The next 20K is taxed at 15% for EVERYONE.
The next 20K is taxed at 20% for EVERYONE.
etc.

EVERYONE is treated the same.

Originally posted by KellyJay
In the states there is much discussion about the notion of greed on
Wall Street, and bailing out Main Street due to the greed of Wall
Street. Personally, I think there is nothing but greed here, those that
want something from either BO, or JM for nothing are doing so out of
greed as well.

The notion that anyone has to pay more so others who pay nothi ...[text shortened]... em and you too, they just will
not be as up front about coming after you, but they will.
Kelly

go away. US citizens are amongst the lowest taxed people in the entire world. People like you will never be happy.

Just let them eat cake, right?

Originally posted by KellyJay
A flat tax hits everyone the same way, you make more you pay
more, you make less you pay less, with an equal percentage, so
there is equality and fairness in how everyone is treated.
Kelly

Your current system has rich people paying more tax than poor people who pay little or no tax.

Why, oh why, do you suddenly want to make poor people even poorer by making them pay a flat tax of say 17% when they currently pay 0%??

Additionally, why oh why, do you think rich people should have the tax rate cut in half??


Please explain why you want to shift the tax burden from rich people to poor people. I can't wait for this.

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
Seems logical to me, and I'm neither greedy nor ignorant. 😀

Sure, maybe in bizzaro world.

You shift the tax burden from the rich to the poor.

You want to bring back aristocracy? The aristocrats made the same bonehead arguments until the people rose up and kicked out them out of power way back in the day.

Hell, even Adam frickin Smith understood the concept of progressive tax and how it benefited the entire society.


You guys crack me up. You'd make good Barons and Dukes.

"Let them eat Cake"

Originally posted by KellyJay
No where did I say it was wrong for the government to help the
unfortunate at all, I said it was wrong for people to reap the
benefits and not help foot the bill. It is wrong to treat one person
differently than another, the playing field is either level or it isn't.
To have a progressive tax table is to treat people different, and it
allows politician ...[text shortened]... with an equal percentage, so
there is equality and fairness in how everyone is treated.
Kelly

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
It's becoming quite clear that you don't understand certain concepts:

Main Entry: greed
Function: noun
Etymology: back-formation from greedy
Date: 1609
: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed.

Clearly someone living below the poverty line is NOT greedy, since the don't even have enough money for basi ONE.
The next 20K is taxed at 20% for EVERYONE.
etc.

EVERYONE is treated the same.

No I understand, what you seem to be missing is that I'm saying
treating everyone the same is the only way to do it. I understand
you may enjoy being a socialist that is all fine and good, that is
completely up to you. In your world view you get to tell other
people what they need or not, I am of the opinion that you can
and should be able to do with what you own as you will not as
anyone is telling you, what is yours is yours and mine is mine.
I'm of the opinion that you must treat everyone the same way,
and I'm not going to judge what you or anyone else 'needs', nor
am I going judge them good or bad for having much or little.
I am saying that everyone must be treated equally, it is all
shared responsibilities everyone should be pitching in the till
everyone draws from.

Nothing selfish about that, people with much more times than not
give a lot too, but forcing them or anyone to do more than is required
by others is wrong.

You are taking a greater percentage from some over others, you are
not allowing everyone to share the burden of the community equally.
Kelly