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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYep, yep.
you should have , its a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll, as your national anthem.
AC/DC would do just fine🙂
Originally posted by Bosse de NageTo me, yes. I love the Bulgarian one because it's all about the nature and it's explicitly so as former "call to arms" verses were removed.
It's about the music.
Of course anthems praising the mountains of the Motherland are so much more interesting than calls to arms.
Originally posted by PalynkaIt seems to be a song about love for the Motherland, always a good patriotic symbol. Nothing like invoking the Motherland to send out a -- call to arms.
To me, yes. I love the Bulgarian one because it's all about the nature and it's explicitly so as former "call to arms" verses were removed.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, a plaid is proper attire. So why do you slaves of the Sassenach all wear short skirts instead?
what this Sassenach talk, perhaps you would like to visit the field of Bannochburn, it has the largest concentration of Englishmen anywhere is Scotland, and they are all six feet under the ground! For your information, a plaid is the proper attire for lancing Dutchmen through the gentiles with ones claymore! (deliberate pun intended)
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYou could invoke many other generally good things to call people to arms. Family, solidarity, democracy, progress, the list goes on. But the fact is that the anthem just praises the nature.
It seems to be a song about love for the Motherland, always a good patriotic symbol. Nothing like invoking the Motherland to send out a -- call to arms.
National anthems, football anthems -- they serve the same purpose, they are all calls to arms in a sense (not sure about rave anthems). You might as well have said 'Yawn, another anthem'.
The Cat ...[text shortened]... I first heard it or know it was the Catalan anthem). Therefore it is categorically the best.
Originally posted by PalynkaI don't see a functional difference between one national anthem and another. Sickles are no longer de rigueur accoutrements in Barcelona, are they? Yet the people take obvious pleasure in the old song. It's a good tune.
You could invoke many other generally good things to call people to arms. Family, solidarity, democracy, progress, the list goes on. But the fact is that the anthem just praises the nature.
If you don't see the difference between talking about the beauty of the country's mountains and rivers and some crude bellic metaphor about sharpening sickles, I'd say you're choosing not to see.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageSimplistic? Right, then explain me why these verses were taken out from the anthem.
I don't see a functional difference between one national anthem and another. Sickles are no longer de rigueur accoutrements in Barcelona, are they? Yet the people take obvious pleasure in the old song. It's a good tune.
I also find your interpretation of that Bulgarian paean to the Motherland (precisely the same sentiments can be found in the old So ...[text shortened]... l anthem, Die Stem) simplistic to a degree that seems self-serving, but you're welcome to it.
Originally posted by PalynkaSimplistic because you seek to present the content as being exclusively concerned with nature, despite the piece being a fairly generic and obvious example of nationalist-romantic Motherland identification negatively sugarcoated with the removal of lyrics whose absence sticks out like a sore thumb, or perhaps a phantom limb. The potential for nationalist-Romantic interpretation persists regardless, given the hoary old Motherland motif in its dusty old late C19 coat, once fashionable from Dublin to Moscow.
Simplistic? Right, then explain me why these verses were taken out from the anthem.
Countless fighters died,
for our beloved nation,
mother, give us manly strength
to continue their path.
Edit: And after googling, it seems there's a lot more to Die Stem beyond the natural beauty of the land.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWell, l already admitted that many positive feelings can be re-interpretable in a negative way. I don't see what your point adds to that. The intent of the "authors" of the current version (or editors) explicitly made it a point to remove the said limb. So that, in itself, shows that the point was to remove the political connotations or things that could be interpreted as calls to arms.
Simplistic because you seek to present the content as being exclusively concerned with nature, despite the piece being a fairly generic and obvious example of nationalist-romantic Motherland identification negatively sugarcoated with the removal of lyrics whose absence sticks out like a sore thumb, or perhaps a phantom limb. The potential for nationali ...[text shortened]... dors as a bloodthirsty battle cry or an allegory of the struggle for freedom, as you please.
Originally posted by PalynkaAgreed - I would be proud to be Bulgarian if I got to sing this anthem (for the tune, I should add, not for the words, which already seem to be provoking some debate). Almost as stirring as Bulgarian folk music.
I quite like the Bulgarian one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7QwMkE-sws
Proud Balkan Mountains,
next to them the Danube sparkles,
the sun shines over Thrace,
and blazes over Pirin.
Refrain: (twice)
Dear Motherland,
you are heaven on earth,
your beauty, your loveliness,
ah, they are boundless.